South African relevant survival/prepper info

Hi Guys

i just saw this letter on survivalblog.com from a S.A. prepper sharing info on local resources.

http://www.survivalblog.com/2011/01/...or_preppe.html

I've been a follower of survivalblog.com for a few years now, highly recommend it, there is tons of free info in searchable archives. I also have a couple of JWR's books (Patriots, a novel of the coming collapse, and non fiction How to survive TEOTWAWKI) and recommend them too.

please use this thread to share any further info on SA related prepping, from suppliers to recommendations, info, links etc.

thanks
P2W

Great thanks!

Thanks for the link!

nice link, just what i've been looking for.

Very nice list, I'd like to add www.finestkind.co.za for any cheesemaking supplies as well as www.bmscientific.co.za for chemicals/med supplies and other interesting toys.

Thought I'd share this here, a new South African forum dedicated to the Outdoors and Survival. http://escapeoutdoors.co.za

http://store.lds.org/webapp/wcs/stor...51__-1__195877 oxygen absorbers
http://store.lds.org/webapp/wcs/stor...003_-1__195615 Mylar pouches cheapest I could find who ship to SA

http://varietypackaging.co.za/Sealers.html Impulse sealers to seal Mylar bags with.

Does any one know a local supplier who has oxygen absorbers ?

This country has way too many inert oxygen absorbers. Highest concentration can be found in parliament...

Thanks for the tip on the cheese place 856, will go past there before xmas.

This info is contained on the webpages of Drypak

Oxygen Absorber Recommendation Guide
Cans, Jars, Bags, Pails & Drums:
Size of Container Product Recommendation
*Tightly Packed Product Recommendation
**Loosely Packed
1 oz. FT-20 FT-20
2 oz. FT-20 FT-20
5 oz. FT-20 FT-20
Pint FT-20 FT-50
Quart FT-50 FT-100
Liter FT-50 FT-100
1 gallon FT-100 FT-300
5-6 gallon FT-500 FT-750

5 cubic inches FT-20 FT-20
10 cubic inches FT-20 FT-20
15 cubic inches FT-20 FT-20
30 cubic inches FT-20 FT-30
60 cubic inches FT-30 FT-50
90 cubic inches FT-50 FT-100
120 cubic inches FT-50 FT-100
250 cubic inches FT-100 FT-300

Volume of Container
(cc = ml) Product Recommendation
*Tightly Packed Product Recommendation
**Loosely Packed
100 cc FT-20 FT-20
150 cc FT-20 FT-20
250 cc FT-20 FT-20
500 cc FT-20 FT-30
1000 cc FT-30 FT-50
1500 cc FT-50 FT-100
2000 cc FT-50 FT-100
4000 cc FT-100 FT-300

Conversion Table: * Tightly packed assumes less than 10% of void airspace inside the container
** Loosely packed assumes 25% or more of void airspace inside the container
*** Oxygen constitutes 20% of the void airspace within a containerized environment
**** All recommendations are based on average use during normal temperature and humidity conditions. If you have any questions regarding the proper use of our products please consult Dry Pak Industries.
1 oz. = 30cc
1 liter = 1000cc
1 qt. = 946cc
1 pt. = 473cc
1 gallon = 3785cc
1 cu. In. = 16.4cc
1 cu. ft. = 28,300cc

thanks Craig and classdj

oxygen absorbers are basically iron filings, salt, and water or vinegar (according to several patent documents) When the iron filings rust, it absorbs oxygen and locks it up. I worked out approximate (~) ratios of each needed and the volume it will absorb-

for a 25l bucket-
~37% airspace in beans, rice and whole wheat
air is ~20% oxygen
so oxygen = 1875cc

1 gram of iron can absorb ~250cc oxygen

using the ratios from the patent documents:

~8 grams iron per 25l bucket
~1,5 grams/mls water/vinegar
~0.5 grams salt

I have not tested this yet myself. still trying to source mylar sheeting locally. its very easy to cut and seal it into whatever bag size you want

Flameless rational heaters for MRE's Meals ready to eat- R30-00- >www.mealsreadytoeat.co.za

www.sunspray.co.za excellent milkpowder country pasture and really good smash heaps better than the little 100gr packets

https://www.facebook.com/pages/South...65283266823913

I have just received my parcel from Sunspray. 500grams of Whole Egg Powder. Re constitutes to 2kg's of liquid whole egg.Cost was just under R60.00 Rated shelf life 2 years. I am going to vacuum pack into smaller quantities(size still to be decided). Have not eaten powdered egg since the 40's when fresh eggs where virtually unobtainable in wartime England.

I see the very compact survival bow from Survival Archery Systems is shipping from Stellenbosch again. Does anyone know what the local website is? I shoot a friends for a while at it shoot really good! Want to get me one.

Any information would be great if anyone know of the SA website?

I see that much of the stuff about prepping, both local and overseas, is heavy on the guns and gadgets, including large food stores.

Basically good ideas, but not always very practical as some relatives found out when they were evacuated twice during the Knysna fires. Luckily they did not have the problems with looters that others had.

I found a resource that gave me a totally new perspective; read "Listen to Katrina" at http://www.theplacewithnoname.com/bl...ons/index.html. It is based on real experiences from a guy who survived Hurricane Katrina. His recommendations are less of the "Grab your BOB and get out of Dodge" type and more what to do to get your wife and kids to safety and then live somewhere for a few weeks while the insurance company decides what to do about your (now destroyed) house.

I am glad to see the upsurge in interest in prepping in SA - anybody got ideas about a suitable "Redoubt" (as JW Rawles describes his proposed "safe zone").

Mackwag

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Originally Posted by mackwag

I see that much of the stuff about prepping, both local and overseas, is heavy on the guns and gadgets, including large food stores.

Basically good ideas, but not always very practical as some relatives found out when they were evacuated twice during the Knysna fires. Luckily they did not have the problems with looters that others had.

I found a resource that gave me a totally new perspective; read "Listen to Katrina" at http://www.theplacewithnoname.com/bl...ons/index.html. It is based on real experiences from a guy who survived Hurricane Katrina. His recommendations are less of the "Grab your BOB and get out of Dodge" type and more what to do to get your wife and kids to safety and then live somewhere for a few weeks while the insurance company decides what to do about your (now destroyed) house.

I am glad to see the upsurge in interest in prepping in SA - anybody got ideas about a suitable "Redoubt" (as JW Rawles describes his proposed "safe zone").

Mackwag

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My attitude regarding a "redoubt" or place to bug out to is that it's better to stay put.

Rather concentrate on first making your own home impenetrable to criminals, and then on getting to know your neighbours and discussing how the entire neighbourhood could be secured in the event of TSHTF.

My reasoning is simple.

If we're talking general civil unrest, then a determined front presented by a neighbourhood to marauding gangs of looters has been proven to be effective many times. The most recent being in Coligny where a relatively lightly armed (and well-disciplined) residents force kept the mob out of residential areas and avoided large scale looting of houses. I write this under correction to anybody who may have been there. Looters are in general not willing to get shot for the sake of a free tv.

If we're talking about a "government wants to kill you" scenario then you're pretty much screwed either way. If you're trying to bug out of such a scenario you'll very likely (unless you get out of dodge right away) end up in roadblocks and traffic jams and that = doom. Determined and organized residents have, however, historically managed in the past to defend what is theirs from state forces ... sometimes. My 2c

My local Lemon Tree PnP running some good specials on canned food:
15 cans of baked beans for R100
7 cans bully beef for R100
8 cans tuna chunks for R100
10 cans corn or sweet corn for R100

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Originally Posted by Andre in Alberton

My local Lemon Tree PnP running some good specials on canned food:
15 cans of baked beans for R100
7 cans bully beef for R100
8 cans tuna chunks for R100
10 cans corn or sweet corn for R100

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Does anyone perhaps have an idea what the shelf life is roughly for cans nowadays (obviously when they are stored in a cool place) ?

I've been told that It's long, under ideal conditions - we're talking decades.

With time, flavour and colour starts fading, but contents remain edible.

I bought a few cans of beans from a local supermarket, was sceptical when I saw the advertised price. Went down there, had a look and bought 12 x cans of beans. Expiry date was 2021. A good 3 years life