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26-06-2023, 13:40 #11
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Re: Choose the best 4 calibres in a SHTF scenario.
Messor, your comments regarding logistics is very eye-opening. I think up to now we (well, myself at least) thought of this scenario as very much a solo operation, or at most yourself with your immediate family. But it is very likely that you will rather find yourself in a group of like-minded individuals as you said.
Interesting viewpoint on this. I guess given the typical calibers owned by South Africans, this could typically include calibers like the .30-06, .300 WM, and even .375 H&H.
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26-06-2023, 14:23 #12
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Re: Choose the best 4 calibres in a SHTF scenario.
For me it will be:
1 - 9mmP Glock
2 - 9mmP PCC (using Glock mags) with a silencer, 147gn traveling at 1050fps. My current pet load = 127gn lead zeroed at 25m shoots 4" low at 100m and easily ring a gong at 200m with a red dot sight.
3 - 223 AR
4 - maybe a 7.62 × 39 because you then cover 95% of military/guerilla used ammo.
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26-06-2023, 15:53 #13
Re: Choose the best 4 calibres in a SHTF scenario.
Messor, as always you have profound insight. I agree wholeheartedly with the long-range requirement.
However, depending on location, firing indiscriminately at unidentifiable people at 1km may not be the right thing to do.
Vaal, you still have another caliber.Israeli Carry is for dead people
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26-06-2023, 17:48 #14
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Re: Choose the best 4 calibres in a SHTF scenario.
The question is on calibres, not type of firearms on hand. If answered according to that criteria:
1. 9mmP
2. .223
3. .22 LR
4. .308
If answered in accordance with what I have firearms for:
1. 9mmP (For Pistol, but would love to take the PCCarbine with in same calibre, but then I am on 5 firearms and 4 calibres.)
2. .223 (AR Platform.)
3. .22 LR (For the 10/22.)
4. 30-06 (For "sniping" work.)
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26-06-2023, 18:38 #15
Re: Choose the best 4 calibres in a SHTF scenario.
Yup. It's calibers, not FA's so 9mm can run a host of blasters from pistol, all the through to full length PCC AR platforms.
Common platforms for interchangeability and spares make sense in a SHTF scenario.
The limitation is nothing but a way for people to justify the most important for them. As mentioned above every person has unique circumstances.Israeli Carry is for dead people
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26-06-2023, 20:29 #16
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Re: Choose the best 4 calibres in a SHTF scenario.
not surprisingly, all responses essentially conform to a general (and sensible) solution:
1. 22LR because all the reasons given. in my view volume of ammo that can be carried is the biggest plus here.
2. a fighting pistol calibre. many of us will choose 9mmP but others will choose 40 or 45. gun is on you, and the ammo is still compact enough to carry lots.
3. an intermediate rifle calibre for an SLR. Many would choose 223/5.56, others will choose 7.62x39. the latter is not as easily obtainable in the above-board market as the former, but may well be easily found in the ... informal market. if you've got a gun that shoots a boutique calibre I believe you'll shoot it till the ammo is gone, and then leave it behind.
4. A full-power rifle round to reach out and touch someone / something. I hear Messor's comment about the biggest calibre to hit the hardest, and my right brain says I'll do plenty of damage to vehicles using my 9.3 shooting 250gr solids. However my left brain (which is generally right) says the standard calibres will be more useful in the long run, so here 308 wins hands down. But again use what you have...
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26-06-2023, 20:49 #17
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26-06-2023, 21:12 #18
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Re: Choose the best 4 calibres in a SHTF scenario.
Since we have to choose 4 calibers, not 4 guns, here is my choice:
Bear in mind that I live in a rural area. City slickers may view things somewhat differently, until they manage to escape for there...
1. 22LR Preferably in a suppressed rifle, bolt or semi.
2. 9mmP in a pistol (preferably a compact plastic fantastic of your favourite make) and maybe also in a PCC. Mag and ammo interchangeability scores extra points.
3. 12 Guage shottie, pump or semi.
4. Your choice of 223Rem/7,62x39/7,62x51. Pick the one you like and for your environment. This could also be 2 guns, a light SLR and a heavier bolt action. Different applications but with ammo interchangeability.
All the guns should be suitable for procuring meat for food and keeping predators from taking your food.
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27-06-2023, 00:25 #19
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Re: Choose the best 4 calibres in a SHTF scenario.
If I could only have four guns...
1) 9mmP - concealed edc and targets upto 15 meters. (Something RONI compatible would even be better).
2) 12ga - crowd control and serious stoppage power in home defense. (Pump action would be my choice).
3) 7.62x39 or 556 - targets between 15 and 200 meters. (Make your choice on ammo availability).
4) 308 - targets beyond 200 meters.
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27-06-2023, 03:36 #20
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Re: Choose the best 4 calibres in a SHTF scenario.
I will go with the battlefield pickup method of picking calibers.
9mm
5.56
7.62x51/308
7.62x39
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