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Thread: Sierra .308 165 gr. HPBT
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12-05-2009, 12:39 #21
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Re: Sierra .308 165 gr. HPBT
Originally Posted by dave schenck
Originally Posted by dave schenck
The question I must now ask is why would Berger even bother producing a match grade bullet that is quite suitable for hunting and then also produce a hunting bullet (the VLD)?! Anyhoo, in the FAQ section of Berger's website the following question is posed: "Do you make hunting bullet that works well on big game"? The answer contains zero reference whatsoever to Berger's match grade rifle bullets and refers (in answer) solely to their Berger Hunting VLD hunting bullet. I wonder why if, as you say the match grade bullet is quite adequate for hunting, no mention is made of their match bullet in their answer?! confused0083 Dave, I'm not saying that what you saying is false or mistaken, it's just that I'm struggling to find information to prove that it isn't (I did read the article in Handloader Magazine btw).
Originally Posted by dave schenck
Originally Posted by dave schenck
Originally Posted by dave schenck
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12-05-2009, 23:21 #22
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Re: Sierra .308 165 gr. HPBT
Read the article again
http://www.bergerbullets.com/Informa...%20Article.pdf.
From the article above
A few months ago, I was invited to go on a trip to New Zealand to test a bullet that behaves very differently than any hunting bullet on the market today, the Berger VLD. The initials stand forVery Low Drag, an extremely high ballistic coefficient created by a long secant ogive, a tiny hollowpoint and a boat-tail. The VLD was designed for punching holes in paper targets, especially at longer ranges. The jacket’s very thin, about .02 inch on average, and the lead core only contains .5 percent antimony. Most lead-core hunting bullets use
cores with around 2.0 percent antimony.
In theory this would be a fine varmint bullet and a lousy big game bullet, prone to expanding on the surface of anything larger than a coyote. But some big game hunters had tried them, mostlyon deer but also on larger game, and reported incredibly fast kills – and no problems with surface wounds. The Berger people started to investigate.
The VLD is a match bullet - it says so on the box which I am looking at right now. It started as a paper puncher and ended up as a hunting bullet. So all the research that was done by the big company came down to squat! Sierra says no berger says yes, what now, do we believe the research Berger did before it recommended the VLD as a hunting bullet or after?
Khumba Ive never had to penetrate any barrier whilst hunting. I want rapid expansion and maximum damage when I hit
Ive killed more animals than I care to remember with SMK's after hunters with premium HUNTING bullets had a go.
I still use Accubonds and partitions and will continue to as long as my stash (about 500 each) lasts. If I have SMk's or VLD's in my rifle I will take a shot. Maybe one day I will wound something again, but i will bet even money that it will be my fault and not a bullets'.
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13-05-2009, 07:41 #23
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Re: Sierra .308 165 gr. HPBT
Guys, you buggers! You've hijacked my thread! This thread is to discuss the "Sierra .308 165 gr. HPBT" (which is a game bullet used on game) and not to flog that tired old topic of whether using match bullets on game is correct / legal / ethical or not. If you want to flog that horse, start your own thread but for now, and in the spirit of this thread, can we please discuss the Sierra .308 165 gr. HPBT and its performance on game? Groot asseblief... hpy180
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13-05-2009, 14:45 #24
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Re: Sierra .308 165 gr. HPBT
Horses for courses guys...I agree with Deonh but then again maybe I am a little conservative in my approach as well. At the end of the day the manufacturer is probably erring on the side of caution but that being said there must be a very good and solid reason as to why they don't recomend match bullets for hunting applications.
I also think the best bullet possible / affordable should be used when hunting afterall the animal that's about to be shot has as much of survival instinct and desire for life as all of us! As hunters we have a moral (emotional I know but stilll my opinion) responsibility towards that animal to make sure the inevitable happens as quickly and as painlessly as possible and to me that means using the best components I can afford designed for the particular job at hand.
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Re: Sierra .308 165 gr. HPBT
Originally Posted by Brad76
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14-05-2009, 07:27 #26
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Re: Sierra .308 165 gr. HPBT
Is it too late to appologise? Again hpy71
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14-05-2009, 07:39 #27
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Re: Sierra .308 165 gr. HPBT
Originally Posted by pietskiet
C'mon Piet, show the manne what a real hunter can do with a warhorse .303! hpy180
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14-05-2009, 07:57 #28
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Re: Sierra .308 165 gr. HPBT
Originally Posted by Longshot
I said it's too late to apologize, it's too late
Woahooo woah"
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14-05-2009, 10:20 #29
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Re: Sierra .308 165 gr. HPBT
I will never surrender!! (LOL) ;D The 165 is as close as you can get to a matchking without being called one! It is deadly on game but seldom exits - similar performance to matchkings. They kill animals dead! DEAD DEAD DEAD!!!. Watch shot placement if you are worried about meat damage. We should worry more about quick kills than meat damage!
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14-05-2009, 14:04 #30
Re: Sierra .308 165 gr. HPBT
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