9mm carry ammo currently available

**Brendank** · 12-04-2012, 12:03

Originally Posted by dwak

I've got 2x windscreens that im going to test the Ranger T 127gn +P+ through. I'm very interested to see the results.

Just need to find the time to do the tests.

What media are you going to use behind/infront of the windscreens Dwak? There is a recipe for a basic ballistic type gel around, may be a good idea to use that if you're going through the trouble of testing JHP's on windscreens.

**Lian** · 12-04-2012, 12:16

Originally Posted by Brendank

What media are you going to use behind/infront of the windscreens Dwak? There is a recipe for a basic ballistic type gel around, may be a good idea to use that if you're going through the trouble of testing JHP's on windscreens.

well, there's probably already a guy holding the windscreen up....

**dwak** · 12-04-2012, 12:23

Originally Posted by Brendank

What media are you going to use behind/infront of the windscreens Dwak? There is a recipe for a basic ballistic type gel around, may be a good idea to use that if you're going through the trouble of testing JHP's on windscreens.

Going to use good old plastic water bottles. I agree some sort of gelatin would be the preferred option but how easy is it to make?
Doc Roberts does say it is possible to estimate how much penetration you will get in gelatin using water as a medium. If I remember correctly he says you will get roughly 1.5 -2x the penetration when using water.
I would also like to see if the bullet will hold together after going through the windscreen and the water because water tents to cause jacket core separation.
My theory is that if the bullet can hold together through the windscreen and water and still be intact then we should have a winner??? We should also be able to roughly estimate penetration???

**ikor** · 12-04-2012, 13:06

Bullet-wise I agree Brendan but I was speaking of factory new loaded ammo and what I have heard is currently available in SA, so no GDs, they don't get considered in that opinion.

**KSK** · 12-04-2012, 13:13

Originally Posted by Lian

nothing wrong with mixing them up. i think the point is that you're used to the ballistics of one specific brand and mixing them/brands up might throw you off a bit (trajectories)
i've heard people here recommend (and it makes sense) to load the first 2-3 rounds as CMJ.... in case there's a door/window in your way.
or, just keep an entire CMJ/ball mag precisely for that.

Any suggestion on good ball ammo

**Brendank** · 12-04-2012, 13:14

Originally Posted by ikor

Bullet-wise I agree Brendan but I was speaking of factory new loaded ammo and what I have heard is currently available in SA, so no GDs, they don't get considered in that opinion.

Right you are Ikor. Unfortunately the 124gr+P Remington GS hasn't been available here for almost a decade, only the std pressure 124 & 147gr versions (of which the 147gr version seems to perform best).
I've ordered some 9x19 Speer GD's in 50rnd LE boxes, will follow-up with the supplier.

**Brendank** · 12-04-2012, 13:15

Originally Posted by KSK

Any suggestion on good ball ammo

Either S&B or WWB 115gr ball, both are decent, but the S&B is slightly hotter and has sealed primers and case mouth (will likely store better/last longer).

**Brendank** · 12-04-2012, 13:17

Originally Posted by dwak

Going to use good old plastic water bottles. I agree some sort of gelatin would be the preferred option but how easy is it to make?
Doc Roberts does say it is possible to estimate how much penetration you will get in gelatin using water as a medium. If I remember correctly he says you will get roughly 1.5 -2x the penetration when using water.
I would also like to see if the bullet will hold together after going through the windscreen and the water because water tents to cause jacket core separation.
My theory is that if the bullet can hold together through the windscreen and water and still be intact then we should have a winner??? We should also be able to roughly estimate penetration???

Ja, that is the theory. They should hold up well, but don't expect great expansion after passing through the windscreen. I'm guessing they'll penetrate roughly 12-16".

**brukutu** · 12-04-2012, 14:51

What's ur views on the rangers sxt? +p+ JHP?

**Infidellic Pagan Scum** · 12-04-2012, 14:59

Brendan, please drop me a line when your stock arrives one day.

Originally Posted by brukutu

What's ur views on the rangers sxt? +p+ JHP?

I think they're awesome, but I've never shot anybody with them before so I can't tell you exact specifics. They feed through my gun like M&M's though, and they just have a "quality" feel about them...more so than the Hornady's I've just purchased.