A debate?

**Crimefree** · 15-04-2012, 11:32

This was based on a recent letter to a newspaper in Bloemfontein and website posting in the US. It contains no new information but information I never ever see presented to the media. People would rather fall into the trap of justifying and legitimising gun control and then arguing over how much. Wrong approach. It leads to a debate and this is not a debate, it's a fight we want and need to win.

http://www.bloemfonteincourant.co.za/Community-News/the-firearm-debate-continues.html

Write them a letter since they asked so nicely.

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It is interesting that you and many others think this is a debate, however in order to have a debate the evidence must be in doubt or very scanty indeed.

A review of of the available evidence was exactly what the National Academy of Sciences did. This prestigious organisation examined 253 journal articles, 99 books, 43 government publications, 80 gun-control laws, plus their own studies. Its findings are published in a 328-page report. It could find no evidence to support the conclusion that government restrictions on firearms reduces gun crime, gun violence and gun accidents.

Nor was this finding isolated or a mistake. The CDC a known gun control propaganda factory which had its funding cut by congress for wasting tax payers money conducted its own research to reverse that congressional funding cut. In October 2003, the Centre for Disease Control concluded after examining its selected best 52 studies, papers and laws, there is no meaningful proof gun control efforts have any affect on crime control.

Nor is this information new or unknown. The Carter administration intending to build a case for comprehensive federal gun restrictions handed out a major research grant to professor James D. Wright and his colleagues Peter Rossi and Kathleen Daly. Wright and his colleagues were asked to survey the state of research regarding the efficacy of gun control, presumably to show that gun control worked and that America needed more of it.

When the researchers produced their report for the National Institute of Justice in 1982, they delivered a document quite different from the one they had expected to write. Carefully reviewing all existing research, the three scholars found no valid evidence that America’s 20,000 gun-control laws had reduced criminal violence.

By now it has become quite obvious that there are no reputable valid competing studies that show a different outcome. Or that some gun control works but not others. Gun control is a complete lie.

The only question that remains is why is nobody aware of this fact and how are organisations like the SAPS, government and gun control given credibility and coverage for what there is no evidence to support, gun-control.

Is public safety, the lives and well being of everyone including children so easily thrown aside by the SAPS, government and the media in order to promote the falsity of gun-control?

Your statement that there is some success of gun control has absolutely no evidence other than the tainted biased utterances of gun control and government. None that a number of prestigious research organisations and researchers could find.

I defy you to draw up a list of successful gun control laws and show this law reduced crime, the supply of guns to criminals or increased public safety from anywhere in the world. Do comment on the statistical significance if you by some miracle can find one.

Based on the available evidence for what possible reason could anyone demand gun control or gun control laws? What would be the valid justification?

**Wanderin' Zero** · 15-04-2012, 12:22

Originally Posted by Crimefree

A review of of the available evidence was exactly what the National Academy of Sciences did. This prestigious organisation examined 253 journal articles, 99 books, 43 government publications, 80 gun-control laws, plus their own studies. Its findings are published in a 328-page report. It could find no evidence to support the conclusion that government restrictions on firearms reduces gun crime, gun violence and gun accidents.

Please post a copy of the report or a link to where the report can be downloaded.

**ikor** · 15-04-2012, 12:33

Here ya go WZ. Not sure if the exact screen I have will display for you or not, but keep looking and you will see links to the free read of the entire study...

http://www.nap.edu/catalog.php?record_id=10881#toc

They sell a hardbound copy, and I am not sure if there is a way to download onto a Kindle, etc...

**Paul** · 15-04-2012, 12:42

Works well, Ikor, thanks. Great link.

**Wanderin' Zero** · 15-04-2012, 13:06

Originally Posted by ikor

Here ya go WZ. Not sure if the exact screen I have will display for you or not, but keep looking and you will see links to the free read of the entire study...

http://www.nap.edu/catalog.php?record_id=10881#toc

They sell a hardbound copy, and I am not sure if there is a way to download onto a Kindle, etc...

Thanks Ikor.

**Paul** · 16-04-2012, 12:39

OK... which one of you "sissies and little girls" went and banned Peter Moss? ... again...

Bend over and submit to a lashing, a tongue lashing... actually that just doesn't sound right... nevermind, you understand ;-{>}

**h0stag3** · 16-04-2012, 13:00

CrimeFree banned?

**BigT** · 16-04-2012, 13:02

Yup. Again.

**Paul** · 16-04-2012, 13:09

Originally Posted by BigT

Yup. Again.

Ja... he's doing his nut over on GunFree's Facebook page again. It would be kinda cool if we could keep him around in a 'controllable space'... kinda like a padded room, where we could toss peanuts to himn and poke him with sharp sticks every now and again when we needed entertainment...

**h0stag3** · 16-04-2012, 13:19

Lol!!! Whooosh!

Whats that sound?

Whooosh whooosh!!!

WTF is that sound!?!?!

Whooosh kazaaaam!

It was BigT swinging his Ban Hamola and then it hit him. Lol!