Tobacco laws vs "rights",familiar?

[afzals1]

My knowledge and understanding is limited but maybe you can engage with him why it is harmful for those around smokers, this is not fca made up thumb suck bs rather years and years of research, whether it is legitimate or not I'm not here to debate! We can't compare ourselves to smokers where research according to him has an adverse effect on others as we know we do not have a similar effect!

[camouflage762]

I promise not to shoot in the office if you promise not to smoke.

Respect my rights & I'll respect your vice.

[curious george]

The main point is/aim of my thread has very little to do with actual "smoking",(or, the no doubt,noble intentions of afzals1's friend),or legal firearm ownership of citizens,or internet usage,etc etc.

It has everything to do with the need of the state to be infringing into, more and more so,the private lives of its citizens...

Hell,even I'm convinced that plenty people will support these proposed legal ammendments,like with the fca,and think its actually a very good idea and will offer very little,if any resistence due to the obvious "benefits"/embracing the compelling arguement(s) and maybe even join the anti-(insert here)crusade...

But again,the point I made earlier,how many things are willing to sacrifice to the beaurocrats?

The state surely is not this wise demi-god that can/should decree every single little thing we do,dont do,or hope to be doing,or how and where we should be doing it all the time.

What difference is there between a minority emposing its will,to a majority emposing its will...?Sure society needs rules,where is that thin line tho?

As a citizen,not as a subject,where do YOU feel that line is being crossed or not?

[Logan Bruwer]

I agree with Curious George.

Government and the people are supposed to be a symbiotic relationship. People pay tax and contribute and the government takes care of the big things, water, electricity, defence and policing etc. I don't want to be told how to live every aspect of my life.

I remember reading on a blog sometime back, " they should pass a law that if a government makes a new law they need to strike two others off the roll. That'll make them think twice."

[yusuf_b]

I remember reading on a blog sometime back, " they should pass a law that if a government makes a new law they need to strike two others off the roll. That'll make them think twice."

With current government its not so difficult I assume it'll b something like erm ok so we ban them from smoking and we allow murder and rape... sorry I know you were serious but i couldn't help myself

[Cmor]

As a smoker some of the comments I have heard around this seriously pisses me off.

As with any other group smokers are not immune to the scourge of inconsiderate individuals. What does get me is that the actions of a few are being used to justify unreasonable restrictions en masse. Why the smoke-nazis dont campaign for stricter enforcement of current regulations defies logic. It does however fall in line with the "we know better than you" crowd who seek to compensate for their lack of substance character wise.

To the individual that is drafting this badly thought out piece of legislation and his ilk: One day you will realise that as you sat there smirking with self glee, triumphant in your self-righteousness, your freedoms have burnt in the shadows of your ignorance, and you yourself helped pave the way.

[Billy The Kid]

I think it's quite simple:

Guns are perceived in the non gun loving world as being dangerous to innocent people. There is little logic in this belief. But there you go. Perhaps SAGA should embark on a public awareness campaign to educate the public.

[curious george]

Smoking regulations may be unlawful - LRP

2012-07-10 11:05
Draft regulations on smoking in public may be unconstitutional because the regulations were being made by executive decree, rather than through Parliament, the Law Review Project says.

• Smoking rules 'will hurt shebeens'
• Proposed smoking law threatens rights

[h0stag3]

Hmmmm.... maybe SAGA should draw parallels to this and gun owners' rights and take it from there. I mean, unconstitutional is in there too...

[Springer]

What I find hard to reconcile is the fact that when smoking "regulations" were brought into effect it was not without serious concerns together with vociferous appeals from restaurants, pubs, clubs and the like. Smoking areas were then designated and much money was spent in order to become compliant.

Now we have regulations being extended, and the Shebeens have an issue as it will hurt their businesses - (they weren't needing to be compliant before) All of a sudden, this becomes a "rights" issue.

as township-based shebeens and taverns operate in unique circumstances," the association's president Tembile Ntlokwana said on Friday.

"We are also not happy with government for telling us how to run our business without consulting us."

I wish I could operate my business in the same "unique circumstances" and tell government not to tell me how to run my business.

Just saying.