Argument for Gun Ownership - A letter sent via e-mail

**lithium** · 27-02-2013, 19:59

I went and pulled the article "Is an armed society a polite society? Guns and road rage". Its from 2006 from the journal "Accident; analysis and prevention".

The stats are super dodgy to pull the conclusion that people that have been in a car with a firearm in it are more likely to make obscene gestures (as defined by the study). The OR for this was 1.3 with 95% CI 1.1-1.9 p<0.05. In direct comparison the chances of the person committing obscene gestures was far more likely to be young (OR 8.3! p<0.0001), non-white, had conservative political views, had an arrest for non-traffic related violations and had participated in binge drinking recently. The study was not powered to examine whether gun ownership resulted in more aggressive driving. They looked at the correlation (not causation!) between aggressive driving behaviour and a multitude of other characteristics.

And the kicker? This study was part funded by the Joyce Foundation which has a central tenet of further gun control policies..

Statistical jiggery-pokery indeed. Don't believe everything you read in a medical journal.

lithium.

DS · 27-02-2013, 20:50

There you go, thanks L.

Everything that gfsa spouts, especially stats, should be regarded with utmost suspicion.

STATISTICS NEVER LIE BUT LIARS USE STATISTICS.

DS · 27-02-2013, 20:59

"There are three kinds of lies: lies, damned lies and statistics."

Attributed to Mark Twain.

And also

"A lie can travel half way around the world while truth is putting on it's shoes"

The latter we face everyday in lies uttered by the likes of gfsa and lulu and others, and no pro-gun organisation that vigorously climbs onto each and every lie and ride it into the ground.

**lithium** · 28-02-2013, 19:37

Well said Khumba.

**Hopefull** · 28-02-2013, 19:48

Thanks Lithium!

H

**Checkmate** · 11-03-2013, 19:58

Wonder what GFSA would say about these low crime stats in Kennesaw Georgia USA, the most Pro gun State in the USA , where it is compulsary to own a firearm:

Offense	2010	2011	2012
Murder	0	0	0
Manslaughter	0	0	0
Rape	2	0	1
Aggravated Assault	13	12	20
Robbery	5	6	9
Burglary	110	120	107
Larceny/Theft	393	426	373
Auto Theft	24	25	25
Arson	0	0	0

Total Part 1 Crimes	547	593	518

Now compare this to a gun free State like say Illinois and you will be surprised, but then ignorance is bliss they say...

**MJC** · 25-08-2013, 22:38

Fantastic. I wish this could be published in newspapers!

**Paul** · 27-08-2013, 06:58

Originally Posted by Bertie1

Has the ongoing consensus by GOSA and SAGA not been that more firearms unaccounted for by "goverment" organisations than private individuals? If I am wrong, cannot be by much anyway.

The key word here is "propotionally"!

Fantastic. I wish this could be published in newspapers!

"Dog bites man" is not considered newsworthy.

**njabulo** · 14-09-2014, 19:23

I get chills down my spine when I see gunfree S.A articles because I'm applying for a SD FA and one of these days these people might spoil our right to self defence n security.