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    Default Re: The Dunning-Kruger effect.

    Quote Originally Posted by Khumba View Post

    Also take note of the Four Levels of Competence:

    1. Unconscious Incompetence - you don't know that you don't know or have the necessary skills
    2. Conscious Incompetence - you know that you don't know or have the necessary skills but you are not doing anything to improve skills
    3. Conscious Competence - knowing you don't know and consciously working at improving skills
    4. Unconscious Competence - you attained skills you do not have to think about performing and perform it well without having to consciously work at it..
    Well said. You did however omit the very important 5th point, and that is: Back to Point 1. Once you have reached level 4, with the pace of development in all spheres of life, your current competency becomes very quickly outdated and redundant.

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    Default Re: The Dunning-Kruger effect.

    Strangely enough I read an article recently (can't remember where though) that focused on more or less the same thing, although the name of the effect wasn't named. What it boiled down to was simple:

    If you aren't criticized you will never know that you are doing wrong. This leads to the so-called Dunning-Kruger Effect (just learnt the name, thanks Khumba!), and people start overestimating themselves. The article was based on a study where people where questioned on how they perceive themselves - and more than half of the subjects (about 70% of them) mentioned that they think their level of skill is "higher than average". Obviously this can't be true, because more than half cannot be more than the average on a 1-3 scale, it does not make sense. These people where then tested in their respective fields of work and they were found to be, in fact, not above average but really pretty much in between. The reason for their thinking was simply a lack of criticism - their superiors, bosses or co-workers never criticize them to let them know they're doing something wrong. The simple result is that they then assume they are doing good - better than average actually. They are not aware of mistakes to learn from them, and the result is egoism and idiocy where they don't know what they don't know. Dunning-Kruger Effect.

    What to take from this? Simple. Take criticism positively. Learn from it and you won't make a fool of yourself later on. If you did bad, take responsibility for your actions. Accept that you messed up, learn from that and start knowing something you did not know earlier. Don't rage out, quit a thread of post something even more stupid that will get you banned when, in fact, you could simply have learned, shut up and moved on a more intelligent person.

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    Default Re: The Dunning-Kruger effect.

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    What to take from this? Simple. Take criticism positively. Learn from it and you won't make a fool of yourself later on. If you did bad, take responsibility for your actions. Accept that you messed up, learn from that and start knowing something you did not know earlier. Don't rage out, quit a thread of post something even more stupid that will get you banned when, in fact, you could simply have learned, shut up and moved on a more intelligent person.[/QUOTE]

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    Default Re: The Dunning-Kruger effect.

    This principle applies to my brother who thinks he knows everything

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    Default Re: The Dunning-Kruger effect.

    Quote Originally Posted by Peruvs72 View Post
    This principle applies to my brother who thinks he knows everything
    Your brother is not the only one.....

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    Default Re: The Dunning-Kruger effect.

    And in relation to the Dunning-Kruger effect there's a brilliant book called Intellectual Morons by Daniel J Flynn.

    http://www.marcuse.org/herbert/books...apterCrOcr.pdf

    Intro: How ideology makes smart people fall for stupid ideas.

    WHEN IDEOLOGY IS YOUR GUIDE, YOU'RE BOUND TO GET LOST.
    Ideology deludes, inspires dishonesty, and breeds fanaticism. Facts, experience, and logic are much better at
    leading you to truth.
    Truth, however, is not everyone's intended destination.
    This is a book about morons. The morons that we'll meet don't have tobacco juice dripping from their chins, sunburned necks, or any other stereotypical manifestations of dimness.
    As the title suggests, Intellectual Morons focuses on cognitive elites who embarrass themselves by championing idiotic theories, beliefs, and opinions. It is a quite pedestrian occurrence for stupid people to fall for stupid ideas. More interesting, and of greater harm to society, is the phenomenon of smart people falling for stupid ideas. Ph.D.s, high IQs, and intellectual honors are not antidotes to thick headedness.

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    Default Re: The Dunning-Kruger effect.

    Let me add something to this thread, and that is the article by Davide Dunning about how at some time, we are all "Confident Idiots".


    Pacific Standard Dec 2014, We are all Confident Idiots

    http://www.psmag.com/navigation/heal...-idiots-92793/

    – David Dunning http://cornellpsych.org/sasi/people.php


    An ignorant mind is precisely not a spotless, empty vessel, but one that’s filled the clutter of irrelevant or misleading life experiences, theories, facts, intuitions, strategies, algorithms, heuristics, metaphors, and hunches that regrettably have the look and feel of useful and accurate knowledge.

    As the humorist Josh Billing once put it, “It ain’t what you don’t know that gets you into trouble, its what you know for sure that just ain’t so.”

    In many cases, incompetence does not leave people disoriented, perplexed, or cautious. Instead, the incompetent are often blessed with an inappropriate confidence, buoyed by something that feels to them like knowledge.”


    It is humorous to realize, the more incompetent you are, the more confident you are. We have all seen this, we have all been this. It must be one way the human mind works, not merely "stupid is as stupid does", but confidently striding forth into a chasm because you are absolutely certain you are not on a cliff edge.

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    Default Re: The Dunning-Kruger effect.

    Quote Originally Posted by Slamfire View Post
    Let me add something to this thread, and that is the article by Davide Dunning about how at some time, we are all "Confident Idiots".


    Pacific Standard Dec 2014, We are all Confident Idiots

    http://www.psmag.com/navigation/heal...-idiots-92793/

    – David Dunning http://cornellpsych.org/sasi/people.php


    An ignorant mind is precisely not a spotless, empty vessel, but one that’s filled the clutter of irrelevant or misleading life experiences, theories, facts, intuitions, strategies, algorithms, heuristics, metaphors, and hunches that regrettably have the look and feel of useful and accurate knowledge.

    As the humorist Josh Billing once put it, “It ain’t what you don’t know that gets you into trouble, its what you know for sure that just ain’t so.”

    In many cases, incompetence does not leave people disoriented, perplexed, or cautious. Instead, the incompetent are often blessed with an inappropriate confidence, buoyed by something that feels to them like knowledge.”


    It is humorous to realize, the more incompetent you are, the more confident you are. We have all seen this, we have all been this. It must be one way the human mind works, not merely "stupid is as stupid does", but confidently striding forth into a chasm because you are absolutely certain you are not on a cliff edge.
    This is really prevalent on the Gunsite Facebook page.

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    Default Re: The Dunning-Kruger effect.

    Quote Originally Posted by Khumba View Post
    This is really prevalent on the Gunsite Facebook page.
    The FB page is a huge waste of time IMO. You have to wade through so much crap to get to any sort of useful info that it almost isn't worth going through the effort of asking anything. And not only because of keyboard cowboys but also because of members there treating it like their own private little comedy show.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DirkB View Post
    The FB page is a huge waste of time IMO. You have to wade through so much crap to get to any sort of useful info that it almost isn't worth going through the effort of asking anything. And not only because of keyboard cowboys but also because of members there treating it like their own private little comedy show.
    I think that applies to Facebook in general.

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