Paintball Marker vs Firearm

**prepare2win** · 20-03-2015, 09:13

Fastest way to shut down this BS- I will take a shot from your paintball gun if you will take a shot from my 9mm

**HadEnuf** · 20-03-2015, 09:17

I know you said "on another thread", but I presume it is on that other forum. How are Sectional Density and Relative Penetration a) defined and b) calculated ? BTW, you spelt "Sectional" incorrectly in your table.

**Lian** · 20-03-2015, 09:19

if you break it down into power factors, the differences become ridiculous. some people actually recommend windbuks pellets instead of nylon balls.

pellet: PF of 5.
22LR: PF of 48.
ball: PF of 50.
9mm: PF of 140.
AR15: PF of 192.
308AR: PF of 418.

**Toxxyc** · 20-03-2015, 09:25

Originally Posted by HadEnuf

I know you said "on another thread", but I presume it is on that other forum. How are Sectional Density and Relative Penetration a) defined and b) calculated ? BTW, you spelt "Sectional" incorrectly in your table.

Damn it, missed the spelling!

Anyway, this was all calculated with online tools. 9mm was calculated using normal ammo calculators and the paintball marker details I got using a tool made for calculating muzzle-loader info when using spherical bullets. Most info was calculated on www.beartoothbullets.com using their (pretty nifty) tools. I spent some time on other forums researching the validity of these tools.

The one exception is the sectional density of the paintball. I couldn't find a tool to calculate me the SD of a sphere, so I used a normal calculator.

PS: Most values are rounded and made "easier" to understand.

**HvR** · 20-03-2015, 09:26

The other one I always hear from "pro-marker" guys is the legal argument. If you point a gun, or shoot unarmed someone you will be in trouble and jail.

First go through eh whole armed versus threat discussion.

They are usually very surprised when I show them FCA section 120 (6):
(6) It is an offence to point—
(a) any firearm, an antique firearm or an airgun, whether or not it is loaded or
capable of being discharged, at any other person, without good reason to do
so; or
(b) anything which is likely to lead a person to believe that it is a firearm, an
antique firearm or an airgun at any other person, without good reason to do so.

Also shooting a person that is not an immediate threat with nylon projectile will probably land you in some serious legal trouble.

**DRD** · 20-03-2015, 09:31

It might also be a good idea to mention to the Paintball warriors that a lot of the time the BG's are on drugs, and a nylon paintball might just have the same effect as a mosquito byte.

**Toxxyc** · 20-03-2015, 10:14

Ai jai jai the oke continues on:

"40 joules to the head can easily kill a man instantly"
"I can do 40 joules at 10 shots per second constantly"
"I can hit a moving target better than you with the marker"
"30m? How big IS your house and you'll never hit at that distance"

I don't care about one oke, but I don't want him spreading this BS.

**Kayback** · 20-03-2015, 10:16

Pretty good writeup except the part about 1000 lumens. Approaching 1000 lumens is getting close to "almost enough" light. More spillage = less place for bad guys to be unobserved.

KBK

**Toxxyc** · 20-03-2015, 10:17

Originally Posted by Kayback

Pretty good writeup except the part about 1000 lumens. Approaching 1000 lumens is getting close to "almost enough" light. More spillage = less place for bad guys to be unobserved.

KBK

Biggest problem with 1000 lumens in the middle of the night in my experience is the massive flash and reflection off walls blinding you pretty badly. Or am I missing something?

**Gunservant** · 20-03-2015, 10:20

Originally Posted by Toxxyc

Ai jai jai the oke continues on:

"40 joules to the head can easily kill a man instantly"
"I can do 40 joules at 10 shots per second constantly"
"I can hit a moving target better than you with the marker"
"30m? How big IS your house and you'll never hit at that distance"

I don't care about one oke, but I don't want him spreading this BS.

Please use Paladin's quote. It cuts to the core of the problem.

What this man is spreading is dangerous misinformation, and will lead to people getting killed if they follow it under the wrong circumstances. A paintball marker is a toy. At best it is sport or hobby equipment, the kind which can cause injury and loss of an eye. Unpleasant to have happen to you, of course...but not effective self-defence. He is more than welcome to continue living in ignorance, but it would be preferable if he does not spread said ignorance.

Dear Sir, if you happen to read this: please stop talking nonsense. You are wrong. You don't have to admit you are wrong, all you have to do is shut-up and stop commenting.