Bullet performance data base

[singh17]

So, in your experience, what makes it better than the Barnes?

I did not mean that as a challenge but rather as a question. I should have typed it out properly apologies for that.

I seem to recall that Messor mentioned some where on the forum that the Aframe was the best and you also (post #92) would have selected the Aframe over the TSX in certain conditions.
I have also not seen a Aframe failure petal breaking etc etc, but this could also just be from my user bias.

my rifle/hunting opportunities have their own limitations. For the reasons below, I have selected the Aframe (to be replaced with 180gr Partitions) as my choice.
1) Short barrel rifle 20inch. I have tried the 165gr TTSX and battle get velocity. I can safely shoot the 180gr Aframe faster than what I can shoot the 165gr TTSX
2) Limited to bush veld hunting, slow and heavy as I have learned here. So I have stuck with a 180gr load. For me it is Aframes or partitions.

[TStone]

I did not mean that as a challenge but rather as a question. I should have typed it out properly apologies for that.

I seem to recall that Messor mentioned some where on the forum that the Aframe was the best and you also (post #92) would have selected the Aframe over the TSX in certain conditions.
I have also not seen a Aframe failure petal breaking etc etc, but this could also just be from my user bias.

my rifle/hunting opportunities have their own limitations. For the reasons below, I have selected the Aframe (to be replaced with 180gr Partitions) as my choice.
1) Short barrel rifle 20inch. I have tried the 165gr TTSX and battle get velocity. I can safely shoot the 180gr Aframe faster than what I can shoot the 165gr TTSX
2) Limited to bush veld hunting, slow and heavy as I have learned here. So I have stuck with a 180gr load. For me it is Aframes or partitions.

No apology necessary. I meant it as a serious question not a challenge, I have nothing invested in either of the two bullets and am not really brand loyal either. If it works well, I'll use it. I am interested in bullet performance and spend a lot of time testing and comparing bullets but also like to read about other hunters's experience with bullets.

The Swift A-frame is an excellent bullet but I do not think it is better than the Barnes for general use, it is also expensive and not generally available in our area. In certain, specialised, applications it might be better than the Barnes but the opposite is also true.

[Messor]

@singh

If it makes you feel better, I still believe the A-frame is a better hunting bullet.
But it's a long and technical discussion so don't want to foul this thread with it.

[Koebelwagen]

No apology necessary. I meant it as a serious question not a challenge, I have nothing invested in either of the two bullets and am not really brand loyal either. If it works well, I'll use it. I am interested in bullet performance and spend a lot of time testing and comparing bullets but also like to read about other hunters's experience with bullets.

The Swift A-frame is an excellent bullet but I do not think it is better than the Barnes for general use, it is also expensive and not generally available in our area. In certain, specialised, applications it might be better than the Barnes but the opposite is also true.

If I may? I use both Swift and Barnes bullets. I shoot the A-Frames from my 9.3x62 and Barnes TSX from my .223 for different yet similar reasons.

You see, the 286gr Swift A-Frame shot from the 9.3 is an immensely potent combination. Not only do the bullets penetrate through heavy bone to reach the vitals of any animal this side of a buffalo but it also seems the rifle I own lends itself to being very accurate/ able to stabilise the bullets. I may be wrong but this might have to do with the "conventional" modified cup and core construction of the Swift A-Frame i.e. the standard length of the bullet itself is very close to the original design parameters whereas with a mono-metal bullet I would need to possibly go down to 250gr bullets to have similar results. I hope this makes sense?

On the .223Rem, I purposely went the other way i.e. I wanted a lighter bullet that would still stabilise in my rifle in order to squeeze some more velocity out of it but then I also wanted to know that given I do my part that little bullet would not break up on impact.

I have not been disappointed in either bullet so in my very limited opinion I will say this. Both bullets have merit and both are excellent, if not the best examples of their respective constructions and I will gladly use either in any hunting situation that does not require the use of a solid.

[Dinat]

300 WIN Mag, Barnes Vortx 180gr TTSX, a medium sized blesbuck ram shot through right back leg near ass @90m, recovered through chest bone under skin.

Went right through, broke rear leg hitting vitals upwards. Managed to recover just under the skin...

Shot was taken as Blesbuck was shot and injured.








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[TStone]

Blesbuck ewe shot at 462 meters.
Entry just behind shoulder, exit as in photo.
118gr Peregrine VLR4 at 2820fps from Howa 6.5 Creedmoor.
Blesbuck ran ±80m after getting hit. I watched her go down, so there was no need for tracking. However, there was a good blood spoor had tracking been necessary.

[D-MO]

Blesbuck ewe shot at 462 meters.
Entry just behind shoulder, exit as in photo.
118gr Peregrine VLR4 at 2820fps from Howa 6.5 Creedmoor.
Blesbuck ran ±80m after getting hit. I watched her go down, so there was no need for tracking. However, there was a good blood spoor had tracking been necessary.

Hi TStone. What a shot, congratulations. One day when I grow up, lol. What scope did you use?

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[TStone]

Hi TStone. What a shot, congratulations. One day when I grow up, lol. What scope did you use?

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Scope is a 2.5-15x50, marketed by American gunsmith Darrell Holland, I am not sure who actually manufactures the scope. I am testing the scope at the moment and for the past two months it has given good service. The idea is to test it for a year and then write a report for him.

[DaavG]

Nice Tstone. I am surprised she ran that far with such a wound. What magnification as a matter of interest?

[Messor]

Nice Tstone. I am surprised she ran that far with such a wound.

Because you only have the wound, not the added cavitation effect by high speed bullet impact, you will find bullet impact velocity was probably below 2000ft/s.