INFRARED SPECTROSCOPY OF FIRECLEAN AND CRISCO OILS

**Antlion** · 13-09-2015, 09:47

Came across this from the millitary arms channel facebook page. www.vuurwapenblog.com/general-opinion/lies-errors-and-omissions/ir-spectra-fireclean-crisco/

**roligov** · 13-09-2015, 10:57

Interesting article. As he said, trust but verify, so I hope someone can take it further in the same way that "proved" lemishine to be bit much more than citric acid hemihydrate.

**Wanderin' Zero** · 14-09-2015, 10:29

My only observation is that when somebody markets and promotes a lubricant but will not publish a full chemical datasheet for that lubricant, you should perhaps approach it with some caution (it is not axiomatic though that the product is not suitable to the application). This is especially so given that all the major lubricants manufacturers (such as Shell) publish full chemical datasheets for the products so that engineers can ensure they are selecting the correct product for the correct application. As you can imagine, this is particularly important when it comes to automotive and aeronautic applications. I note however also, paging through my armourers manual for the FN MAG, that Fabrique Nationale give specific chemical properties with which a lubricant must ideally comply for use in the FN MAG. If somebody does not publish the chemical properties, how would one know whether it complies with those specifications or not?

If anybody is interested, I will place the Fabrique Nationale specified chemical properties somewhere on this website and people can then hunt around for themselves to see whether they can find a compliant lubricant. For what it is worth though, I do note that my publication of the armourers manual is one of the older ones.

**Prodigal** · 14-09-2015, 10:33

R250.00 for 60ml Fireclean vs R46.00 for 2000ml of Canola Oil...
That's R4.16/ml vs <R0.03/ml ;)

**Paul** · 14-09-2015, 10:36

http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2...ean-is-crisco/

**Cockroach** · 14-09-2015, 10:39

From Fireclean's FaceBook page:

We would like to address recent false or misleading allegations that range from simply misguided to false, defamatory, and libelous. These attacks have been made by competitors and others that paint our product in a false or misleading light. The allegations do not focus on actual performance or relevant tests, and draw a misleading picture.
FIREClean™ Advanced Gun Oil is a specifically formulated, technically superior weapon reliability solution that resists the harshest firing with enormous heat and carbon overload that seize most weapons. It is a formulation- made specifically for exceptional reliability in firearms and weapons- not a re-labeled or re-packaged product.
FIREClean™ has been proven in combat in Afghanistan by US Special Operations Forces, and is in use by Army, Navy, Marine Corps, and Air Force Special Operations. It is also in use by elements of the FBI, DHS, DEA, CBP, Secret Service, Department of State, various intelligence agencies as well as numerous State and Local Law Enforcement Agencies.
FIREClean™ has been successfully tested on and is in use on weapons from handguns and shotguns to fully automatic and suppressed individual weapons. It has also been successfully tested on and is in use on crew served weapons from 5.56mm M249s to 40mm Automatic Grenade Launchers.
In addition to over 3 years of Combat and Service/Duty usage, FIREClean™ has been used on the competition circuit by the best shooters in the world, including the US Army Marksmanship Unit. It has been used to win multiple National Championships in Pistol, 3 Gun, Sniping, and many other competitive shooting disciplines.
We are proud to be of service to those that bear arms in defense of our freedom, those that serve to keep us safe in our communities, and those that carry firearms for self defense. We are also pleased to be of service to tens of thousands of competitors, hunters, and recreational shooters- all of whom appreciate the highest possible levels of reliability and safety.
We believe that our performance speaks for itself. We offer what we and many others regard as the best, highest performing product on the market. We have not commented on the formulation, nor will we do so now. We have focused on performance, and we will continue to do so.
Rest assured that we will defend our good name against false, defamatory and libelous allegations using the full measure of remedies available to us.
Thank you for your time and consideration.

https://www.facebook.com/fireclean

**Wanderin' Zero** · 14-09-2015, 10:41

Of course, while it may be canola oil, none of this proves that canola oil is not a very good gun lubricant. After all, it has been endorsed by many people, including the inimitable Larry Vickers.

But now you also know why no chemical properties datasheet was published.

**Wanderin' Zero** · 14-09-2015, 10:43

PUBLISH THE FULL CHEMICAL PROPERTIES DATASHEET AND DISABUSE THE ENTIRE PUBLIC THEN!

Originally Posted by Cockroach

From Fireclean's FaceBook page:

We would like to address recent false or misleading allegations that range from simply misguided to false, defamatory, and libelous. These attacks have been made by competitors and others that paint our product in a false or misleading light. The allegations do not focus on actual performance or relevant tests, and draw a misleading picture.
FIREClean™ Advanced Gun Oil is a specifically formulated, technically superior weapon reliability solution that resists the harshest firing with enormous heat and carbon overload that seize most weapons. It is a formulation- made specifically for exceptional reliability in firearms and weapons- not a re-labeled or re-packaged product.
FIREClean™ has been proven in combat in Afghanistan by US Special Operations Forces, and is in use by Army, Navy, Marine Corps, and Air Force Special Operations. It is also in use by elements of the FBI, DHS, DEA, CBP, Secret Service, Department of State, various intelligence agencies as well as numerous State and Local Law Enforcement Agencies.
FIREClean™ has been successfully tested on and is in use on weapons from handguns and shotguns to fully automatic and suppressed individual weapons. It has also been successfully tested on and is in use on crew served weapons from 5.56mm M249s to 40mm Automatic Grenade Launchers.
In addition to over 3 years of Combat and Service/Duty usage, FIREClean™ has been used on the competition circuit by the best shooters in the world, including the US Army Marksmanship Unit. It has been used to win multiple National Championships in Pistol, 3 Gun, Sniping, and many other competitive shooting disciplines.
We are proud to be of service to those that bear arms in defense of our freedom, those that serve to keep us safe in our communities, and those that carry firearms for self defense. We are also pleased to be of service to tens of thousands of competitors, hunters, and recreational shooters- all of whom appreciate the highest possible levels of reliability and safety.
We believe that our performance speaks for itself. We offer what we and many others regard as the best, highest performing product on the market. We have not commented on the formulation, nor will we do so now. We have focused on performance, and we will continue to do so.
Rest assured that we will defend our good name against false, defamatory and libelous allegations using the full measure of remedies available to us.
Thank you for your time and consideration.

https://www.facebook.com/fireclean

**Cockroach** · 14-09-2015, 10:46

Originally Posted by Wanderin' Zero

PUBLISH THE FULL CHEMICAL PROPERTIES DATASHEET AND DISABUSE THE ENTIRE PUBLIC THEN!

Couldn't agree more!

**BigT** · 14-09-2015, 10:51

I dont have a dog in this fight, but Coke don't give you their recipe, neither does KFC.

Ive used FireClean, had no issues with it, but Im back to the Slip products.