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    Default 1916 Erfurt custom 6.5x57

    It seems like there may well be a new project in the offing. There has been a trade agreed where I send a Mk 1 Long Lee Enfield action to a feller and he will send me a 1916 Kar 98 small ring Mauser action.

    Being a small ring it can be made into a nice light hill rifle and I had originally decided on another 7x57 in a blind mag stock designed for open sights will be the way to go with this one even though I will possibly look at a QD scope as well. It didn;t quite turn out that way as the barrel that came with the action was not suitable so that changed to another cartridge I had always wanted and that was a 6.5x57. I was able to get onto a short chambered 6.5x55 barrel (which would only need a little trimming to be cgambered for the desired cartyridge) at a very reasonable price and the local GS has the 6.5x57 reamer added to which I got a set of dies at almost a givaway price so it was all settled

    Up to this point I have sort of adapted my stock pattern to lower the comb at the nose to get down for the aperture sights but with the heel at the same drop it means a slightly unconventional head position on the stock.
    It may well be a few weeks before the action arrives but I thought to get the stock design sorted now and thought that I might do a trial one first to get the blind mag area understood before I attack a nice piece of walnut.
    To that end I drew out the plan and cut both a pattern and a framed pattern then a trial stock from a piece of Rimu and thought that it may be of interest to look at how to draw out the pattern.

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    Default Re: 1916 Erfurt custom 6.5x57

    I used a piece of thin board that is 8 1/2 in deep for the framed pattern so I could get all my measurements noted down.

    I started by marking a line the width of my long steel rule (1 1/8) parallel to the top so that when I cut out the interior there is enough strength left outside it to hold it all together. This line is the stock top line and all measurements noted are down from this line. Point A is marked in along this top line and to find point A --- I made my stock to have a 13 3/8 L O P so point A is 14 1/2 in from the butt end of the board. Adjust as necessary for your own desired L O P. I will deal with the forestock first.

    From point A, square a line down to the bottom of the board as this is the face of the trigger and where all the measurements go from. From point A mark down the line 2 3/16 as this is the depth of the stock at this point. Measure toward the forend tip 15 1/2 inches and square a line down with a point marked in an 1 1/4 down from the top line. You can now draw a line from this point back through the first point measured down from point A to give you the forestock length and shape.

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    For the butt end I start with the grip curve so to get there I measure back toward the butt from point A 3 7/8 then square down from there. Measure down that line 4 1/4 and mark the spot. ( call it B) Next comes the grip curve and this calls for a bit of try and adjust. Set you calipers for 4 1/8 as this is the radius for the curve and it requires the curve to go through the point B and back into the line we drew back from the forend tip to intersect where the center of of the trigger curve will be directly down from point A. Then you can use your square and mark in the grip cap line back toward the heel. My intersection point is 14 7/8 back along the top line from point A. Mark 1 3/4 for the grip cap length.
    Next comes the comb nose and I mark 4 1/2 back from point A and go down 3/4. This is where the comb nose starts to curve down toward the top of the wrist. Mark back from point A along the top line 13 5/8 and down 1 3/4 to the heel and now you can draw in the comb line. For myself I marked down with a 4 degree negative pitch and drew in the curve for the checkered steel butt plate. If you need a longer L O P I would stoll draw in the drop a heel at the 13 5/8 mark and continue the comb line till you reached your desired L O P.
    I am going to grind back the steel plate to give me a length of 4 7/8 so from that point I can draw in the toe line of the butt from the tip of the butt plate to the 1 3/4 mark on the grip cap line.
    It will be noted that this line (continued) is above the grip curve by 3/16 - 1/4 but this all helps to lighten the appearance of the stock.

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    Default Re: 1916 Erfurt custom 6.5x57

    I made a start on the trial blind mag stock today. I am going to use a altered military trigger where the finger piece is adjusted to the rear by about a 1/4 to bring it closer to the rear of the trigger bow so I took the one off my other 7x57 so I could get the placement of the action on the blank.
    Center of the trigger face is the datum point so measuring back to the rear stock screw centre is the first move

    Then the front stock screw can be marked in

    From these two points the trigger clearance slot can be done and the action sat into the blank on the headless screws to mark in the other data points

    And a while later it is starting to settle into the wood.

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    Default Re: 1916 Erfurt custom 6.5x57

    Have the action settled into the wood. I had the stock for my DWM set on the bench as a visual guide and for measurement checks.


    I made a start on the jig to allow the use of the router to do the blind mag. I cut a block to fin into the recoil lug and fixed a slow wedge shaped piece to it so the top of the guide was parallel to the bottom of the stock.
    Careful measuring of the internal mag dimensions and allowing for the guide collar on the router base required a 1/2 inch over the required size so I should get the correct finished size. I will try it tomorrow on a scrap piece first then one the practice stock. Going to be an interesting trial.

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    Default Re: 1916 Erfurt custom 6.5x57

    I have been able to get the practice inlet done after a couple of alterations to the jig and it holds four down and feeds flawlessly.
    Frank has been exceptionally generous and sent me a lovely blank to build this one on


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    Default Re: 1916 Erfurt custom 6.5x57

    This is the trial inlet on the practice stock. Initially I made the whole well the same depth but then put a fillet in and reset the jig so I could cut the spring end recess. Then I found that I needed the little fillet up the back of the well so it would engage in the rear of the action the same way as the steel tag does on the standard bottom metal. On the good stock I have a little piece of buffalo horn that I will use for this. I make no apologies for the rather rough look to the wood but the rimu is not a suitable stockwood as it has a fiberous texture and tears a little rather than clean cutting like walnut. It was getting the mag well sorted that was important rather than a fanvy finish.

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    Default Re: 1916 Erfurt custom 6.5x57

    I made a sighting decision over night (well between 2.30am and 5.30am it became clear) and will use a universal front ramp from NECG
    http://www.newenglandcustomgun.com/G...=4237&ST=Basic Front Ramp - Rounded#.VujgSuRJnIU
    with the high sourdough blade that I can regulate to suit. http://www.newenglandcustomgun.com/G...4&ST=Sourdough Sight for Masterpiece & Classic Banded Ramp#.VujgneRJnIU
    I will not use a barrel mounted rear sight but will fit the Talley low bases http://www.talleymanufacturing.com/P...mall-Ring.aspx
    with the Talley aperture sight http://www.talleymanufacturing.com/P...eep-Sight.aspx
    Initial shooting will all be done with the aperture sight but a set of QD rings will be in its future with a Leupold M8 6 power fixed scope.

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    Default Re: 1916 Erfurt custom 6.5x57

    This superb piece of wood turned up this morning and I couldn't wait to get it to the shed and plane off one side to straighten and flatten it then run it through the thicknesser to see what was hiding under the rough sawn surface.
    I was more than plesantly surprised to see the wonderfull colours emergs with the grain structure being swirls and fiddleback with a marblecake apearance. It is the most even on both side of any blank I have seen and would easily sit amongst exibition grade blanks in any walnut supplier.
    A very big thank you to Frank for this one.



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    Default Re: 1916 Erfurt custom 6.5x57

    As most who undertake these sort of builds will know there is a WHOLE LOT OF PIC GATHERING that goes on with the end result being that many are deleted as the ideas refine themselves and the decision gets made as to the finished apearance that I want to aim for is made. First and formost I would like to to look similar to Terry's rifle and even though it is a CZ Mini Mauser in 223 I think the style will translate over to my Erfurt actioned 6.5x57. This is the overall look I am going for with buffalo horn tip and grip cap, the shadowline pancake cheekpiece off a 3/16 cast to the butt with an aditional 1/8 in cant to the butt plate which will be a checkered steel curved plate.

    The bolt release will be shelved but I am not 100% decided on the lowered "window" on that part of the stock so any feedback on that would be welcome Note that I have since decided not to have the lowered window here.


    With this reshaping of the tang the grip will be able to slim up over the top and add to the svelte feel I am looking for.

    Have got a Tally bolt handle coming and it will be welded on so that there will not need to be a scollop ground out for a low scope rings something like this one here.

    So with my flag nailed to the mast and my colours showing I will have to now try and get as close to this ideal as I can manage.

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