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    Default .22lr Izhmash or Bruno

    Hey guys and gals, hoping you guys could help shed some light on which gun to choose.

    I'm going to be using this gun on the farm to do target practice and shooting of small animals like guinea fowl and francolins. I'd like the gun to be able to shoot accurately out to 100m consistently but unfortunately do have a rather tight budget and can thus only afford 1 rifle at this stage.

    From the research I've done online, it seems these Izhmash rifles do quite well at distance, coming on par with the Anshutz rifles. I was wondering in terms of accuracy and price, which would be better or perhaps another .22 altogether? How would it compare to that of the Bruno Mod 2's or even the CZ Lux? At a stage I was tempted to get a Norinco but I would really like to have the accuracy over a 100m or more (even if it needs perfect conditions to achieve that accuracy).

    Currently I'm looking at a Izhmash/Baikal CM-2 bought brand new in 2014 (so being the newer type CM's) and being sold by the first owner for R5k, however, it does not have any other types of apertures that usually come with the gun.

    Thanks for everyone's help in advance!

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    Default Re: .22lr Izhmash or Bruno

    How much does it weigh? I am not familiar with target/match rifles - it does not seem wise to get such a heavy rifle for farm work.

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    That is one of the concerns that I have, it weighs 5kgs in total and I do agree that it's rather heavy as it is not the Cadet version. However, can there not be work done to lighten the stock as I've seen on some of the biathlon K-O rifles. Due to the way the barrel is seated to the reciever, it is basically fully floated and therefore does not require a majority of the wood under the barrel.

    I also won't be carrying it all the time and hope to put a scope and bipod on it so that I can do prone and sitting shots with it. This style of stock is designed for 3 position shooting which I feel would help greatly but may stand corrected. I also have a PCP which weighs 3kgs that I'm currently using and with sitting shots it isn't that heavy. Also if you take standing shots what I usually do is find a tree or pole and rest off the side of it on my hand.

    For me that accuracy is the most alluring thing of this rifle. I want to know that I am the one limiting my equipment and not the other way around so that I know I can always improve my accuracy if I do my part. But unfortunately anything else with this gun's accuracy comes at a much heftier price if it's in the sporter or varminter style.

    But thank you for the reply! I do appreciate the time you spent going through the problem and thinking about it and I will keep that concern in mind

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    Default Re: .22lr Izhmash or Bruno

    I want that rifle myself but sadly bought a target rifle just a while ago. If you do buy it please consider keeping it original, there are not many of them around.

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    Default Re: .22lr Izhmash or Bruno

    Oh really? Which target rifle did you get? And if I'm not mistaken aren't the new CM-2's still in production? I know the Urals and Volstoks are in high demand and are rare, as well as the old type CM's, but not the new ones? The only challenge might be to get them out of Russia because of trade embargoes?

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    Default Re: .22lr Izhmash or Bruno

    Eish I typed a big reply and it got wiped out.

    I ended up with a modified Winchester 52. Modified meaning butchered -by any real gun lover's terms- but I got it because it has a heavy stock/barrel, uses a magazine and the stock is not too focused on any one shooting position, kinda like the Izhmash. It has that perfect mix of sporter vs target.

    The reason I like Izhmash is because they make rifles that do the same thing as the expensive names for less money. Sadly though this is the first one I have seen in SA and my thread or post, some years ago, about importing them, didn't get much attention. Even the good info you read isn't local :)

    Anyway if I could afford it I would gladly be the new owner, I would build my shooting routine around the gun because I will always be a shooter first, then hunter etc. I also appreciate accuracy.

    Here's some more proof of their awesomeness, these models where shown on the old Kalashnikov website. Why they aren't readily available is beyond my comprehension.
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    Default Re: .22lr Izhmash or Bruno

    Quote Originally Posted by Meteor View Post
    Eish I typed a big reply and it got wiped out.

    I ended up with a modified Winchester 52. Modified meaning butchered -by any real gun lover's terms- but I got it because it has a heavy stock/barrel, uses a magazine and the stock is not too focused on any one shooting position, kinda like the Izhmash. It has that perfect mix of sporter vs target.

    The reason I like Izhmash is because they make rifles that do the same thing as the expensive names for less money. Sadly though this is the first one I have seen in SA and my thread or post, some years ago, about importing them, didn't get much attention. Even the good info you read isn't local :)

    Anyway if I could afford it I would gladly be the new owner, I would build my shooting routine around the gun because I will always be a shooter first, then hunter etc. I also appreciate accuracy.

    Here's some more proof of their awesomeness, these models where shown on the old Kalashnikov website.
    Sobol 10
    https://i.imgsafe.org/8630ff2e5d.jpg
    https://i.imgsafe.org/86310cca23.jpg
    https://i.imgsafe.org/863112054b.jpg
    https://i.imgsafe.org/8631068b8d.jpg

    CB99
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    https://i.imgsafe.org/86454189e8.jpg
    https://i.imgsafe.org/86456e652b.jpg
    https://i.imgsafe.org/8645a02a01.jpg
    https://i.imgsafe.org/8645966a1a.jpg
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    https://i.imgsafe.org/8645518e9f.jpg
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    Aw shucks that's unfortunate.

    As to the modified Winchester, I've read great things about those rifles although they seem rather hard to come by. Would not a magazine not be detrimental as when you're prone the magazine catches or interrupts your shooting? If I'm recalling correctly, that is the reason why the CM, Biathlon and various other target rifles only have the single shot trays?
    With regards to the modifications, it is definitely sad to see a rifle changed, but if this allows it to stretch it's legs and to perform better than it could before, I feel it would be better than being OEM but stuck in a safe the whole time as it doesn't work for your situations. Just my 2 cents though.

    That exactly what caught my eye. These guns are said to be on par with some of your Anshutz rifles and those go for a much higher price. They also seem very hardy and consistent (not so easily thrown off like your high end performance rifles). The seller seems to have acquired this one quite easily some how but from my research into the gun I also got the impression that they're really hard to come by and there is almost no resources available on these rifles. Even the Kalashnikov website doesn't help much with regards to the CM's.

    Those look really good , I had looked at the Sobol's but I really like the look of that CB99!

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    Word of Warning. Do not buy the new BRNO 22lr's. Huge issues with them.
    If you are looking at the older BRNO/CZ models which was sort of a joint venture between the two.
    Thats fine. But forget the current BRNO models. Huge issues with them.

    The new CZ455's are incredibly accurate. And if you buy the cheapR350 Yodave trigger.
    That trigger becomes brilliant. And improves accuracy even more.

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    Default Re: .22lr Izhmash or Bruno

    Quote Originally Posted by shooty View Post
    Word of Warning. Do not buy the new BRNO 22lr's. Huge issues with them.
    If you are looking at the older BRNO/CZ models which was sort of a joint venture between the two.
    Thats fine. But forget the current BRNO models. Huge issues with them.

    The new CZ455's are incredibly accurate. And if you buy the cheapR350 Yodave trigger.
    That trigger becomes brilliant. And improves accuracy even more.
    There is no such thing as a new Brno.


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    Default Re: .22lr Izhmash or Bruno

    Quote Originally Posted by Spudattack View Post
    There is no such thing as a new Brno.


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    What I think Shooty meant was not to get one of the recently produced Brunos, but back when the .22lr Bruno rifle was being manufactured under the supervision of CZ. This was an agreement they had where the rifles would still carry the name Bruno, but would essentially by a CZ.

    And thanks for that advice Shooty, will keep that in mind! Only thing is, do you perhaps recall when the cutoff date was where Bruno became an independence manufacturer? As well as onto that, old Brunos themselves would also have issues derived from use and age, would they not??

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