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02-07-2017, 18:29 #1
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Counter-poison dog training?
I am curious as to whether anyone has trained their dogs to not pick up food off the ground thus protecting them from being poisoned?
Several years ago I bought an electric fence setup and rigged up a wire to keep the GF's labs from getting on to her patio and munching on the wooden patio furniture. It worked really well in that it deterred the male after the first nose to wire jolt not so much the female who is a bit doffer as at first she just barged through the wires, but as she follows the lead of the male soon settled down and we had no more patio invasions of the K9 kind.
I often wondered if this system could be adapted by inserting an attached electrode into chucks of meat temptingly left in various places on the lawn to condition the dogs to not pick food up off of the lawn and only eat from their bowls.
Anyone ever tried it?
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02-07-2017, 19:11 #2
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Re: Counter-poison dog training?
My dags have been so trained since 1995, my latest collie unsuccessfully , she only obeys if I am around.
I place various foods in yard and in park across road and teach dog for few days with extreme shows of anger violence and noise that picking up food is a NO !.
I bang dustbins pop balloons and sound those compressed air canisters. When dog sniffs food but walks on or begs I move to area's where I can hide. ( here's the part some will whine about and the reason my latest dog failed - wife whined and bitched). I have a old Gegado 22 pellet gun that we used to shoot each other with as kids, it stings and makes angry marks but does not break skin on a human. I then place meat bones what ever at a spot in veld where I can see it from behind a wall or better from a window. The dog will wander around and when it finds food it will look for you and if you are out of sight it will cautiously try for food, a pellet on the rump will dispel all doubt to the reach of your authority. I call it dissociated authority - you are there even if invisible. This MUST be done 2/3 times and try do so just before feeding and at night and some where else to cover all aspects of maybe. ( the Collie I have now will pick up foods at night and behind walls etc, my previous not at all ever. None of my dogs will ever take food from other people, thats easy to train though, again just get a friend or 5 to over best treats and then put on a great show of anger and violence. You do not actually have to hurt the dog, just the threat is enough noise shout and I usually stamp feet and chase the dog 20 ft or so.
Before the bleeding hearts go on about shooting dog with pellet gun - I work hunt and play on many farms and industrial areas - I will rather shoot my dog harmlessly a few times ( think paint ball) than watch it foam at mouth and convulse before me because it ate some jackal bait.
Regarding the pellet or BB gun use - the animal must not see you, it must be a act of godly proportion - implying that you are there even if invisible. I go into factories where dog is not allowed and my girl gets told sit stay at main gate, and that she does.
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02-07-2017, 19:27 #3
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02-07-2017, 19:40 #5
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Re: Counter-poison dog training?
Hi. Please note dogs are creatures of habits. If these habits are installed in them from a young age ,you would most likely end up with your perfect dog. With this I mean that you should from a young age feed the dog yourself an this creates a habit that he or she should only eat from you. Reward the dog for such behaviour. However it becomes more difficult when a dog is older an is already used to eating form everyone . In this instance their are many different measures you can take to correct a dogs behaviour . One of these include Getting a light wave shock collar. This is a very sensitive issue as many trainers an dog owners do not believe in this method . However it works as follows :say for instance you get a friend to feed the dog An the dog Takes the food press the remote button an it will send a light shocking sensation to the dog which will most likely prevent him from taking the food. Thereafter you feed the dog An when he eats reward him with love affection an excitement . Hope that helps.Please note personally I am not in support of these types of shock collars as I fell their miss more suttlle ways to train a dog. Thanks you
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02-07-2017, 19:57 #6
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Poison proofing is difficult to do, and what you are proposing is not only inhumane it will be ineffective.
Dogs are opportunistic predators and learn from single events. This mean that they are always on the lookout for something to eat. This is hard wired into them. It is also why their wolf cousins are so often vilified because they will hunt more than they need.
A particular tactic only needs to be successful once for the dog to use it constantly in the hope that it will work again.
Avoidance is the best tactic. Keep your dogs away from areas where they can be baited.
You just cannot help yourself can you? You insist on repeatedly posting about your unlawful, and in this case fucking disgusting, conduct. What you are doing is a crime and a serious one - animal cruelty. You do not deserve the company of dogs.
I hope that you and I never, ever meet.
Do you really want someone who, by his own admission, is cruel to the animals in his care having an e-collar? I don't because I have no doubt that he will abuse it, like he does with his air rifle.
E-collars are one of the most abused pieces of training equipment, and for that reason seldom recommended by anyone who knows what they are doing. They also have settings far, far in excess of what is required for a correction.
They have their place, generally in the training of very high drive working dogs, but are not for everyone at all.
http://leerburg.com/poison.htmCattle die, kindred die, every man is mortal:
But I know one thing that never dies,
the glory of the great dead.
Havamal
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02-07-2017, 19:57 #7
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02-07-2017, 20:01 #8
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Re: Counter-poison dog training?
I have yet to meet a dog that will leave food when it is left alone with it. I have heard many many stories of guys who have seen or heard of dogs with such resistance, but it us difficult to accomplish by the average dog owner.
Suggesting shooting at dog as a means of training it is not ignorant as much as just all scales of wrong.
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02-07-2017, 20:06 #9
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Re: Counter-poison dog training?
I agree with Treeman's advice.
The act of God type thing is very important. If using an ecollar you should get out of sight as often as possible (go away, leave the yard- let him see you leave- drop the food an hour later via a friend or some oke walking down the street).
Also read up on how to avoid the dog getting clever when the collar is removed.
Add a few drops vanilla to all HIS food- from day one. Correct him for every item he wants that has no vanilla. Or choose some other flavour...
The best advice though is to use friends as much as possible, let them do the giving of "bad" food, teasing the fence etc.
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02-07-2017, 20:09 #10
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