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    Quote Originally Posted by Springer View Post
    The Korean War is considered as a stalemate, however, the US completely retook all the land that had previously fallen to Communist conquest. So, in a sense, it also won that war as well. However, a peace treaty has never been signed.Desert Storm (1991) was a total victory for the alliance formed to remove Saddam Hussein's takeover of Kuwait. The outcome of the 2003 invasion of Iraq and the Afghan War started in 2001 still awaits historical judgment. Both were successful in their original intentions.

    wasnt exactly the US on their own though

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    i never get the whole "its not as bad as the media makes it out to be"

    sure its business as usual.... but the same goes here for farmers and civilians living in violence.... well because we all have to live

    Make no mistake, proximity with regards to life in Korea means ones day can quickly go from having a night out to running for shelter

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    The countries have been at war since 1950. Conscription still exists for all males and the presence of soldiers everywhere (including foreign troops) is a constant reminder of the realities of war. You get so used to seeing fresh-faced Koreans manning roadblocks and US servicemen in the clubs (22000 of them) that after a while the sound of fighter jets constantly patrolling becomes background noise.

    The average Korean is more worried about his place in the corporate structure and therefor hardly bats an eyelid when the annual rhetoric starts. They leave those things to the over 630000 military personnel constantly watching the borders.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wanderin' Zero View Post
    Um. Then why does North Korea exist?

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    The origins of the conflict have their roots in the fact that the nation was divided in two after the Japanese were driven from it. The land captured by the communist invasion was indeed retaken.

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    imho, I think the NKs will slaughter SK.
    when last has the USA ever been in a PROPER shooting fight with someone?
    and secondly, does the USA have a plan with dealing with 6million NKs bumrushing the border? there's a massive difference between shooting down a single unaware target at your leisure, and being forced to engage dozens of targets at the same time. the strategy worked pretty fine for the russians in WW2 against the VASTLY SUPERIOR Axis force.

    the last couple conflicts the USA has been involved in, has been such an imbalanced event that it's not even funny.
    today drones and A10s pick off off targets unchallenged and at no rush. they would need to target and engage dozens, each, repeatedly, to even dent the thousands of shitty old NK tanks. the ability to destroy a NK tank is undoubtable, look at Gulf War1 how those old tanks were torn apart. but the timeframe and efficiency is the problem, before those tanks gangrape SK.

    fighter pilots have had nobody to fight since gulfwar1 30years ago, not even 1-on-1. so how do they plan on tackling the 600 NK aircraft? first pass, the americans wipe out 200-300 NK jets..... and then those american planes need to return to the carriers to rearm. now what? free reign for the NK jets? patriot missile launchers... with a moderate hit/miss ratio.... still no serious dent in the remaining numbers.

    when last was the USA in a serious "fair" CQB shooting fight with someone, and prepared to take actual serious casualties, not fight on their own terms? Vietnam, 40years ago?
    how do they plan on taking out the 8 million meatbags bumrushing the border..... because you sure as f*ck know kim yong is sending anything with a pulse over that border.

    there is not a chance in hell that america would launch nukes into NK, because the fallout will drift into Russia and China. And nobody wants to poke the bear or the dragon. especially both at the same time.
    the first thing the 30,000 NK artillery pieces will target.... are the patriot/THAAD/etc batteries. to clear a way for the NK missiles/jets/nukes.

    america's military is 100years better, yes.
    but kim yong is willing to sacrifice EVERY SINGLE SOLDIER under his command in a zergling rush to achieve his goal. the american people are ooooh-so-upset about the 5000 american casualties in Iraq. are they prepared for vietnam-scale 50x numbers?
    and are the americans going to run away halfway through again like vietnam, iraq, afghanistan, libya, etc without achieving anything? while SK burns to ashes....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lian View Post
    imho, I think the NKs will slaughter SK.
    when last has the USA ever been in a PROPER shooting fight with someone?
    and secondly, does the USA have a plan with dealing with 6million NKs bumrushing the border? there's a massive difference between shooting down a single unaware target at your leisure, and being forced to engage dozens of targets at the same time.

    the last couple conflicts the USA has been involved in, has been such an imbalanced event that it's not even funny.
    today drones and A10s pick off off targets unchallenged and at no rush. they would need to target and engage dozens, each, repeatedly, to even dent the thousands of shitty old NK tanks. the ability to destroy a NK tank is undoubtable, look at Gulf War1 how those old tanks were torn apart. but the timeframe and efficiency is the problem, before those tanks gangrape SK.

    fighter pilots have had nobody to fight since gulfwar1 30years ago, not even 1-on-1. so how do they plan on tackling the 600 NK aircraft? first pass, the americans wipe out 200-300 NK jets..... and then those american planes need to return to the carriers to rearm. now what? free reign for the NK jets? patriot missile launchers... with a moderate hit/miss ratio.... still no serious dent in the remaining numbers.

    when last was the USA in a serious "fair" CQB shooting fight with someone, and prepared to take actual serious casualties, not fight on their own terms? Vietnam, 40years ago?
    how do they plan on taking out the 8 million meatbags bumrushing the border..... because you sure as f*ck know kim yong is sending anything with a pulse over that border.

    there is not a chance in hell that america would launch nukes into NK, because the fallout will drift into Russia and China. And nobody wants to poke the bear or the dragon. especially both at the same time.
    the first thing the 30,000 NK artillery pieces will target.... are the patriot/THAAD/etc batteries. to clear a way for the NK missiles/jets/nukes.

    america's military is 100years better, yes.
    but kim yong is willing to sacrifice EVERY SINGLE SOLDIER under his command in a zergling rush to achieve his goal. the american people are ooooh-so-upset about the 5000 american casualties in Iraq. are they prepared for vietnam-scale 50x numbers?
    and are the americans going to run away halfway through again like vietnam, iraq, afghanistan, libya, etc without achieving anything? while SK burns to ashes....
    The US always does well in conventional warfare: it is the COIN and unconventional sort where they usually suck-ass. More than 40 years after the Vietnam War they are still writing academic books about how the counter-insurgency and guerrilla war effort went wrong in that particular conflict

    Also, they won't need to fend-off 6 million NK soldiers: they will simply turn the entire country into a nuclear wasteland and be done with it before tea time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Manservant View Post
    The US always does well in conventional warfare: it is the COIN and unconventional sort where they usually suck-ass. More than 40 years after the Vietnam War they are still writing academic books about how the counter-insurgency and guerrilla war effort went wrong in that particular conflict

    Also, they won't need to fend-off 6 million NK soldiers: they will simply turn the entire country into a nuclear wasteland and be done with it before tea time.

    ...and risk the fallout drifting into China / Russia / SK / Japan? not a chance.

    that also my point, when last has the US been in a "fair" conventional fight?
    and what are the chances kim yong would be so stupid to do that............

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    The South Korean military will also no siyt down for a quick cup of tea while all this is happening.

    While the US haven't fought a peer or a near peer for decades , they have been in a constant state of war for 16 years, Lessons have been leanred and they have a government less likely to cut and run at the first sign of trouble than previously. The other thing to bear in mind is that a war with NK is not like one with North vietnam where they could sut their losses and leave. The North Koreans will keep pushing until they are defeated. That sort of pressure will make you fight harder.

    At least trump picks fights with countries he can beat :) Hillary would've poked the Bear and my money on any war involving Russia is on Russia.

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    the vietnamese pushed and pushed.
    the iraqi insurgents pushed and pushed.
    who knows who pushed in libya.
    america left all of them.

    imho, the US has been in a constant state of bullying. what they're doing is not a "fight" :)
    look at modern american squad based warfare. the survivability of the individual soldier is priority. now... toss an unlimited amount of expendable meatbags with a homeground advantage at that squad. the americans havent even seen that kind of warfare since Vietnam.

    for example the DMZ and in the minefields, etc. nothing will stop kim yong from sending the cripples, elderly and farmers to rush over the minefield. clear the way for the troops/equipment.

    look at you, T. you can be how good and how well trained and how experienced. but will you be able to stop 10 guys rushing you out of the blind, and tackling you? it only takes 1 to reach you.....
    yes, you can "take a couple with you". but you're still dead. that's all that matters for them. casualties are non issue for them, just like the Russians did in WW2. and Hitler lost 80% of his forces there.
    where's Russia today? vs where's Hitler today.

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    I dont think anyone else will push a fight directly to US interest like the North Koreans.

    And I think its very unfair to pretend that the US arent fighting hard in Afgan and Iraq. While on a global scale its not WW2, on an individual scale those troops are fighting the same dangers. Techinology, especially medical technology, is all that is keeping the casulty counts as low as they are.


    I do also think the current US regime would go nuclear if they thought they were going to lose.

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