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Thread: Which semi to get
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28-09-2017, 13:46 #81
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28-09-2017, 15:11 #82
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Re: Which semi to get
So in a nutshell.
1 Person has several years knowledge and experience in shooting and actively competes.
New person on block gives comment from post on youtube. And the comment is about something that is not shown or addressed in the video.
Person with experience addresses the shortcomings or lack of showing anything in the video. And just that.
New person gets offended and does not go after the facts anymore but makes a personal assault.
Is it only me seeing something wrong here.
If you feel your facts are still valid. Stay on the facts. Dont go after the person who questioned your facts, or said its wrong. If you do that you loose respect. If you admit your facts were wrong or even get to proof your facts are valid. You will actually gain respect.
Heck, I have given several opinions before and got pointed out by Big T or Skaaphaas(and not only them) they think its wrong. Sometimes I am, and sometimes I still dont think so. But it would be totally unacceptable to attack or insult them personally about it.
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28-09-2017, 15:56 #83
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Re: Which semi to get
It's not an absolute restriction, but a very limited one i.e. permit wise or by proclamation suspension specific to a province and species. The hunting proclamations for certain provinces have suspended the semi-auto restriction iro certain species. For example, you may hunt bushpig with a semi-auto (no mag restriction) in the Eastern Cape and Northern Cape.
SA Wingshooters have actively campaigned (incl formal presentations to the DEA/Wildlife forum in 2015) the benefits of allowing semi-auto shotguns for wingshooting. Semi-auto shotguns offer the wingshooter a number of benefits, including the use of a 3rd shot if the 2nd shot on a double wounded the bird, as well as durability considerations under extreme weather conditions, to name but a few.
The last I've heard was that all the provinces took note of these submissions and would be taking them into account during the next review of the hunting legislation and proclamations. When that will be I do not know.
Re the 'magazine restriction' argument: Some of the provincial hunting proclamations refer to section 29 of Ordinance 19 of 1974, whereby certain hunting methods are restricted without a permit. The one in question is s29(h) which reads “by means of a fire-arm which discharges more than two shots without being manually reloaded”. It stands to reason that if a shotgun does not discharge more than two shots without being manually reloaded, it does not satisfy the restriction of s29(h) and is therefore not prohibited iro the Ordinance (and associated provincial proclamations) for the hunting of birds - typically this restriction is offered by a number of semi-automatic shotgun manufacturers (Beretta is an example) whereby shotguns have a factory supplied physical magazine restriction, thereby allowing hunters to use these shotguns where their hunting legislation restricts the round discharge limit. Of course, the question is whether this will be interpreted the same way by a presiding officer should charges be brought against you.
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28-09-2017, 21:29 #84
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28-09-2017, 22:04 #85
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28-09-2017, 22:17 #86
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Re: Which semi to get
Which one? The one you started with Proudprado?
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29-09-2017, 09:39 #87
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Re: Which semi to get
WCC, you are right, there are some species that fall outside of the ambit, but for wingshooting as a only shotgun, you will either have to limit yourself to the provinces that allow the use through the 2 shot restriction, if your shotgun qualifies obviously, or you will have to get a permit that authorise you to use a restricted or prohibited firearm. This is something that very few gun shops advise prospective owners of, for obvious reasons. In today's climate, where any transgressions of the laws, with a firearm, has serious implications, I believe that it is an important bit of information, that will influence a new buyers decision. On a personal note, I have a lovely Beretta A300, that has become a safe queen because I will not hunt with it without said permit, and the provinces I mostly wingshoot in requires the permit, as they do not have the capacity clause. Limpopo used to issue the permit for the season, they have now changed and they only issue it for 30 days, adding even more admin.
The 1st time legislative changes to allow for the controlled use of semi-auto firearms for hunting was introduces, was in 2008, some provinces were happy to look at it, but others was dead set against it. Some of the provinces have gone through their respective law review processes and the status quo remains, KZN is in the process. I support Andre's submitting of these issues again as it is important to keep on chipping away at illogical legislation and we are all in it for the long hall, but I do not share his enthusiasm about imminent change, and let me say it again as long as it is the law of the land, it is our duty as responsible hunters and firearm owners to abide by it.
"It stands to reason that if a shotgun does not discharge more than two shots without being manually reloaded, it does not satisfy the restriction of s29(h) and is therefore not prohibited iro the Ordinance (and associated provincial proclamations) for the hunting of birds" If you change the statement from "does not discharge" to "cannot discharge" I agree with you, as I read the legislation as to referring to the capabilities of the firearm and not the intentions of the hunter.
My apologies as well, lets hope the OP sees it as a value add to his thread and not a complete Hi-jack and that the information remains for future questions, as I believe it is important information to consider when spending the money.
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29-09-2017, 21:25 #88
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03-10-2017, 02:39 #89
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OP asked about wing shooting. The video has nothing to do with wing shooting and the type of shotgun recommended by s3renity is the worst possible choice for wing shooting. He doesnt know what he's talking about. A tactical style shotgun works great for turkey over here where you are aiming at the bird like you would with a rifle, they are useless for shooting flying birds.
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21-11-2017, 13:10 #90
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