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    There are various theories on barrel throat erosion. As far as I can determine, and please note, I can not see what is happening inside there while the round is igniting, there are basically 2 things that happen when a cartridge is fired that contribute to throat erosion:

    1. When the primer ignites, the bullet is pushed forward against the lands and momentarily stops there while the pressure builds up. While this is happening, some (very hot) propellant gas leaks past the bullet and squeezes through the gaps between the bullet and the rifling grooves. This should contribute to erosion of the barrel steel right there. The longer the bullet sits and the higher the pressure needs to climb before the bullet moves forward and seals the bore, the more erosion will take place per shot. Slower powders should prolong this time and increase erosion.

    2. When the bullet has moved down the barrel a little, hot burning propellant and gas is funneled into the barrel by the case shoulders and creates a concentrated flame with high-speed hot particles (partially burned powder granules) somewhere in the chamber throat area. This should cause some erosion of surface metal.

    These 2 processes occour with each shot, but exactly what portion of the barrel throat erosion can be blamed on each one will differ from one chambering to another and one load to another. There may also be other mechanisms at play here.

    It should be logical, that the longer the bullet needs to "hesitate" in the throat, and the more powder is burned, the faster throat erosion should occour. Well, that's the theory at least. Reality often differs.

    To determine a cartridge's propensity to eat barrels, one can compile a simple table. Divide the powder weight (grains) by the cross-sectional area of the barrel. The result will give you a value to compare various calibres in terms of throat erosion potential. Sort them in ascending or decending order, and you can see that the barrel-burners all sit tightly at one end of the table. This will help you to predict the wear habits of any new cartridge without much test-firing.

    One factor that does not lend itself to theoretical predictions, is the effect of bullet bearing surface length. Tests with longer bullets (75-77 gn) in 22-250 rifles (with appropriate barrel twist rates) have shown that the longer bearing surfaces help to prolong barrel life. This is because a bullet will generally shoot accurately if the jump from case mouth to rifling lands is shorter than the bearing surface. The longer bullets can accomodate a longer jump, i.e. more throat erosion. (Assuming throat erosion is constant per shot.)

    We can safely assume that the larger powder capacity of the 224 Valkyre will lead to more throat erosion per shot, compared to a 223 Rem. We can also safely assume that the longer bearing surface of the 90gn bullet will accomodate more throat erosion before accuracy starts to deteriorate, compared to a 55 - 62 gn bullet. How exactly these two variables balance out, or not, remains to be seen.

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    Barrel life itself means nothing, it needs other factors to make it relevant.

    If you live in a country with a strong economy, and you can buy and change out a barrel on a Saturday, then it's not a problem at all.
    You live in another country, like SA for example, it could be a problem.

    It's a cool new thing, not limited in itself, the specific human would be the limiting factor.
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    Case capacity very close to .223 and powder charges very similar especially compared to the heavier .223 bullets.



    http://www.handloads.com/loaddata/de...=rifle&Source=

    The sharp shoulders of the .224 V (and of course the longer neck and high bc bullets) could be part of the trick in making it as effective as it is.

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    Default Re: .224 Valkyrie

    Does anybody know of AR's in this caliber coming to ZA?

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    Wilson Combat launched two models:
    http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2...-224-valkyrie/


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    I can see merit if you want an AR15 platform but in a bolt I would just do a .22-250 with 1:7 barrel and long leade.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MTTSS View Post
    I am curious. Why would you expect it to be a "barrel burner"?

    Ultimately nothing but scientifically performed comparable tests would in any event provide sound proof of how different calibres fare compared to each other. I suppose many factors play a role here. For instance pressure and heat. This is a brand new calibre, not even out for two months yet. So it is unlikely that anyone has shot out a barrel yet. Unless we compare it to similar wildcat calibres with known barrel life issues that has actually been proven and not old wife's tales only? Or factory ammo that also say pushes out a 90 gr bullet at 2700 fps. Sounds almost like less than the 243 Win. Obviously the bearing surface will be different though.

    Then there's this thing. If you have the use for a calibre in an AR15 platform with the least of recoil, that retains the same energy at 1000m, that a 9mmP has at point blank range, what alternatives do you have? So barrel life of 1000 to 2000 rounds less than say for instance a 308 Win then in any event is not so much of a deciding factor then. And the 308 in any event mostly reaches the transonic range at about 800m whereas the 224 V is far from there at 1000m.

    The 224 V is just as pretty as the 6.5 CM. Younger sister I would say. 308 has grown a beer belly but can still fight. 6.5 CM is a Gladiator.

    Some guys will buy box wine for a purpose and they are guaranteed to be satisfied to achieve what they intended to achieve. Another guy may prefer say a Paul Sauer on occasion. And he is guaranteed to be satisfied and to have achieved his aim. To each his own I suppose.


    So no, it may not (if it is indeed proven that its barrel life is indeed much less that 223) be for someone who wants to fire large amounts of ammo downrange at relatively close (300m at the very most and only on very rare occasions) targets only.
    Agreed 100%. Has anyone on here actually ever held a .224 round?
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    .224 Valkyrie
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    .22-250 Rem

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    .224 Valkyrie
    5.56x45 NATO
    .22-250 Rem
    .260 Rem
    .300 Win Mag
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