The Hate Speech Thread

**BBT** · 20-09-2018, 21:12

But besides being a couple of screws short, this oke is a bit mad. He should have said that about Zuma and not Ramaphosa. Not the K word, all the other stuff

**avislog** · 20-09-2018, 21:48

“If we say that South Africa belongs to whites too‚ it means we are defeating what our forefathers were fighting for. These whites found us here and not one of them came with a piece of land in their pockets.” -Julius Malema

https://www.timeslive.co.za/politics...ssemblies-act/

**Tango Sierra** · 20-09-2018, 21:58

Whilst not excusing his behavior, I wonder how it is that this individual is arrested for saying a word that offends some people, yet certain individuals from that offended demographic chant songs that incite hatred and threaten to kill - yet walk free?

**WCC** · 20-09-2018, 21:59

Originally Posted by Tango Sierra

Whilst not excusing his behavior, I wonder how it is that this individual is arrested for saying a word that offends some people, yet certain individuals from that offended demographic chant songs that incite hatred and threaten to kill?

Double standards and all that.

**Zoo Keeper** · 21-09-2018, 09:23

I find it extremely distressing that a person can be arrested for speaking. It is not harmless - the arrest and charge for speaking. It is a terminal danger to society when the State can act like this.

It doesn't matter what he said, simply speaking should never, ever be criminalized.

This is not to be confused with taking the consequences of abuse, such as defamation. This is often (stand up Prof De Vos) confused with a limitation on the right to speak and express freely. It is not. Defamation (briefly) is publicly and wrongly damaging another's reputation - it is an individual remedy, not a group one.

As for incitement, if a speaker incites a group to violence and the evidence shows this was his or her intent, then the speaker should be charged with the consequences. If everyone ignores him or her, no harm, no crime.

Praise these kinds of events at your gravest peril. Because next time, it will be you

**camouflage762** · 21-09-2018, 11:20

Praise these kinds of events at your gravest peril. Because next time, it will be you

Agreed.

**BBT** · 21-09-2018, 14:55

Originally Posted by Zoo Keeper

I find it extremely distressing that a person can be arrested for speaking. It is not harmless - the arrest and charge for speaking. It is a terminal danger to society when the State can act like this.

It doesn't matter what he said, simply speaking should never, ever be criminalized.

This is not to be confused with taking the consequences of abuse, such as defamation. This is often (stand up Prof De Vos) confused with a limitation on the right to speak and express freely. It is not. Defamation (briefly) is publicly and wrongly damaging another's reputation - it is an individual remedy, not a group one.

As for incitement, if a speaker incites a group to violence and the evidence shows this was his or her intent, then the speaker should be charged with the consequences. If everyone ignores him or her, no harm, no crime.

Praise these kinds of events at your gravest peril. Because next time, it will be you

Totally agree with you

**Davidc** · 21-09-2018, 19:59

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**avislog** · 03-10-2018, 11:34

“Have you ever seen an ugly woman in a blue dress dancing like a monkey because she is looking for votes?" Julius Malema, 4 April 2011 [Of Helen Zille]
https://www.news24.com/SouthAfrica/P...onkey-20110404

‘You’re baboons’ Julius Malema, 9 January 2012 [Of ANC]
https://www.iol.co.za/saturday-star/...aboons-1210025

**camouflage762** · 03-10-2018, 11:47

https://www.timeslive.co.za/sport/20...ha-martinengo/

SPORT

SuperSport confirms they're no longer involved with sacked presenter Sasha Martinengo

03 October 2018 - 11:38BY TIISETSO MALEPA

Sasha Martinengo posted this picture of himself on June 5 while in Windsor, Berkshire, in England.
Image: Sasha Martinengo/Facebook

Pay-TV giants SuperSport have distanced themselves from Sasha Martinengo after the former radio presenter was fired from his day job for calling Economic Freedom Fighters (EFF) leader Julius Malema a “monkey”.
The radio host was axed with immediate effect from Hot 91.9 FM on Tuesday after his remarks were perceived by many as racist.
During the breakfast show‚ Martinengo said “and people still listen to this monkey”‚ referring to Malema live on air.
Political formations‚ civil rights organizations and social media users in general welcomed the swift sacking of Martinengo from the Johannesburg-based radio station and called for the same action to be taken by other companies who may have the radio and TV presenter on their payroll.
“Sasha Martinengo is not involved in any capacity with SuperSport.
"He was a freelancer with us and I think it’s about a year now since he parted ways with us‚” SuperSport spokesperson Clinton van der Berg told TimesLIVE on Wednesday.
Martinengo was the face of Formula One on SuperSport as the host of the popular show Absolute F1.
However‚ it was reported in April this year that Martinengo left the show and was replaced by Kriya Gangiah.
But a google search with the name Sasha Martinengo and SuperSport takes you to a supersport.com page with a bio profile of Martinengo.
“That has to be an oversight issue I would imagine because Sasha is not involved with SuperSport anymore‚” said Van der Berg.
“Thanks for alerting me over the google search and I will follow it up with the guys in charge of our website so that the said link of his bio to our page is taken down.”
In a statement confirming his dismissal‚ Hot 91.9 FM managing director Lloyd Madurai said Martinengo made an “immediate and unreserved apology”.
But Martinengo took to his Twitter account following his sacking and said he stood by his words.