Chris999, thank you for the reply and suggestion it is much appreciated. Chris I did use the "Pozzidrive screws and worked the heads down with a flapper disk , it now looks like rivets. This will be done when completing all the kitchen cabinets ...I need to well together more hinges this coming week and forge some latches while on the Black powder are some photos of the work I completed so far..part of this vintage kitchen designed cabinets will be incorporating rusted expanded metal / wire netting and "ogies draad" doors to give it that really nice old vintage look..