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    Default Re: Ramaphosa: NHI Bill to come before Parliament soon

    Quote Originally Posted by Johann du Toit View Post
    The best arguments against Socialized medicine are the following:
    1) Alfie Evans;
    2) Charlie Gard;
    3) Vincent Lambert.

    The idea that in the event you end up in hospital, the government could suddenly decide that your life is not worth preserving, and would be in "the public interest" that you be allowed to die (or worse, euthanized) without giving you or your family a say in the matter, is far worse than any argument in respect of costs or whether the government can actually manage the health care system properly.
    The medico-legal situation in a lot of those cases you quoted are complicated, to say the least. Euthanasia is currently illegal in South Africa but people with incurable fatal diseases are often left to die without unnecessary interventions in non-socialist medical systems and in our health care system. The medical and legal burden for that decision rests with the treating medical team, with assent from the proxy decision maker (no consent is required - this alleviates a significant issue of survivor guilt). Who the proxy for the patient is, is laid out in our Health Care Act very clearly. It is unlikely for the state to become involved in those decisions without major rewriting of the law. Which, granted, is not impossible, just unlikely.

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    Default Re: Ramaphosa: NHI Bill to come before Parliament soon

    Quote Originally Posted by GAZZAMCK View Post
    unless we must all suffer together?
    Ding Ding Ding!
    If your constituents cannot uplift themselves, you need to drag everyone down to their level to fix inequality.

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    Default Re: Ramaphosa: NHI Bill to come before Parliament soon

    What Gleock says ^^^^^^

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