When bulls***t becomes law.

**ravingDIODE** · 17-05-2019, 22:26

Originally Posted by driepootx

You dont need to give a motivation if you are a dedicated sport shooter. You have already jumped through the hoops. Look at the post below.

https://www.jaracal.com/viewtopic.ph...onseun#p764395

This is very interesting indeed! Do we have a dedicated thread on the forum here to discuss this judgement? Does GOSA know about this judgement?

**treeman** · 18-05-2019, 07:53

What kills me is that there are no real ways to hold some one accountable. My time money wasted - accountable fool ???, well he just carries on and gets paid. This is why I do not mail order or buy from sellers out of town ---- I want to be able to march up to accountable person and have it out. The system, "THE SYSTEM" - is the ugliest phrase - result we could ever imagine.

**DstUrges** · 18-05-2019, 08:43

This is why the appeal is the best way,
The dealers association, acronym too long, and Gosa have made good headway in taking them to task with personal cost orders. One day we will have them so accountable they may actually do there jobs for once.
I work in a industry where you get paid for output, no output no pay, I often wish the whole world worked that way, as no one in our office earns a cent unless they put in good work.

Originally Posted by treeman

What kills me is that there are no real ways to hold some one accountable. My time money wasted - accountable fool ???, well he just carries on and gets paid. This is why I do not mail order or buy from sellers out of town ---- I want to be able to march up to accountable person and have it out. The system, "THE SYSTEM" - is the ugliest phrase - result we could ever imagine.

**Johann du Toit** · 18-05-2019, 11:04

Originally Posted by DstUrges

This is why the appeal is the best way,
The dealers association, acronym too long, and Gosa have made good headway in taking them to task with personal cost orders. One day we will have them so accountable they may actually do there jobs for once.
I work in a industry where you get paid for output, no output no pay, I often wish the whole world worked that way, as no one in our office earns a cent unless they put in good work.

I don't know. Government entities who abuse their authority tend to have an IDGAF (I Don't Give A F***) attitude when they are penalized in the courts. They don't care about punitive cost orders because they think the taxpayers will simply fork the bill.

As an example, as a lawyer I have lost count on how many times I have sued Emfuleni Local Municipality for their various transgressions (violations of labour law, their employees driving recklessly and causing car accidents, etc). Emfuleni is bankrupt because of this and poor management, and they simply plod forth on the same course as if nothing has happened.

**CorditeCrazy** · 18-05-2019, 12:37

Originally Posted by treeman

They tell me I should just reapply - its faster and simpler

NO! “They” are wrong. Appeal and stick it to them. In this case it’s the right thing to do.

I’ve had 2 refusals and 2 successful appeals. One thanks to GOSA

**treeman** · 18-05-2019, 13:12

I think I will appeal - seems the right thing to do

**treeman** · 18-05-2019, 13:22

I hate it when I get angry like this and there is no person to walk up to. Hi ...... I see Darwin overlooked you, but not to worry we will just all do our best, let me help you here now, this here written words each have a meaning - shall we read it together / - I will help you with the bigger words. I am so pissed..................

**MSW2** · 18-05-2019, 18:09

Originally Posted by Johann du Toit

I don't know. Government entities who abuse their authority tend to have an IDGAF (I Don't Give A F***) attitude when they are penalized in the courts. They don't care about punitive cost orders because they think the taxpayers will simply fork the bill.As an example, as a lawyer I have lost count on how many times I have sued Emfuleni Local Municipality for their various transgressions (violations of labour law, their employees driving recklessly and causing car accidents, etc). Emfuleni is bankrupt because of this and poor management, and they simply plod forth on the same course as if nothing has happened.

You cannot take all the credit. I am sure kiddie porn and booze at Rafters also took a good chunk out of the budget.

**Bowhunter** · 18-05-2019, 19:27

Originally Posted by ravingDIODE

This is very interesting indeed! Do we have a dedicated thread on the forum here to discuss this judgement? Does GOSA know about this judgement?

I believe they know about it. Whether they believe it is unknown to me, there were loads of negative comments on the FB group due to the date etc. if the are investigating it further then it's being kept quiet because I've seen nothing about that posted to the group.

**bodhi_** · 20-05-2019, 10:33

The one thing I have learned with these silly motivations is to think like a police officer. It is not rocket science, simply back-up every statement with paperwork. This is how they usually work, when somebody claims to have a safe just provide the picture. I know you don't really have to, the statement alone is sufficient but in their mind if you cannot provide proof of ownership you must be lying.