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21-07-2010, 19:08 #1
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SD firearm modifications and the CFR?
In trying to get a second handgun licensed under DSS, part of motivation will be that the SD gun isn't suitable for IPSC "production" division.
Now ordinarily, the S&W M&P 9mm falls into production div, but I want to put an Apex Duty/Carry Action Enhancement Kit into the SD 9mm. This would disqualify the FA for production division.
Are modifications like this acceptable to a SD handgun from the CFR/FCA point of view? I just searched the FCA and the only thing I could find was this section here:
Firearms Control Act, 2000
Firearms Control Regulations, 2004
Chapter 5 : Licences issued to particular categories of persons
Part 4 : Gunsmiths
50. Other work that may be performed by gunsmith
The holder of a gunsmith’s licence may, repair, customise, custom build, adapt, modify, assemble, deactivate or store a firearm.
How does one explain to CFR in the DSS license application what the Apex kit is and what it does...does one literally spell it all out, s.l.o.w.l.y and hope they get the idea of what it is?
And then, is that a decent enough reason (besides wear and tear concerns on a SD gun) to motivate for a M&P .40S&W to compete in IPSC production div?
Thanks
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21-07-2010, 23:00 #2
Re: SD firearm modifications and the CFR?
Asn I read it, the APEX duty kit will not exclude your M&P from SSP...
Handguns permitted for use in this division must:A. Be semi-automatic.
B. Be double action, double action only, or safe action (when
the trigger is pulled, the hammer/striker is cocked and then
released).
C. Be 9mm (9x19) or larger caliber.
D. Have a maximum unloaded weight of 39oz., including an
empty magazine. (Will be effective January 25, 2006)
E. Have a minimum annual production of 2000 units;
(discontinued models must have had a total production of
20,000 units).
F. Fit in the IDPA gun test box measuring 8 ¾” x 6” x 1 5/8”
with an empty magazine inserted.
G. Be loaded to the division capacity of ten (10) rounds in the
magazine plus one (1) round in the chamber. Should division
capacity not be achievable because of lower magazine
capacity, load to maximum mechanical capacity of magazine
plus one (1) round in the chamber. Competitors must use the
same capacity magazines through out the competition
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(Example: if you start with a 9 round magazine, you must use
that capacity magazine throughout the match).
H. Begin hammer down for selective DA/SA pistols.PERMITTED Modifications (Inclusive list):1. Sights may be changed to another conventional notch and
post type (see “sights” in glossary for further information).
2. Grips may be changed to another style or material that is
similar to factory configuration (no weighted grips; see
“weighted grips” in glossary for further details).
3. A slip-on grip sock and/or skateboard tape may be used.
4. Internal action work may be used to enhance trigger pull as
long as safety is maintained (no visible external modifications
allowed).
5. Reliability work may be done to enhance feeding and
ejection.
6. Internal accuracy may be worked to include replacement of
barrel with one of factory configuration and original caliber.
7. Plastic plugs may be used to fill the opening behind the
magazine well.
8. Custom finishes may be applied.NOTE:The slide releases and magazine releases that are standard
on the Glock 34 and 35 models are available as a factory option on
all Glocks available in the USA. Because of this, that type of slide
release and magazine release are legal on all Glocks for SSP.
Run Fast, Bite Hard!
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22-07-2010, 07:51 #3
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Re: SD firearm modifications and the CFR?
Thanks Ikor,
I think SSP is for IDPA, but I'm refering to production division in IPSC.
The rules for IPSC production are as such and don't allow mods like the Apex kit:
19. Original parts and components offered by the OFM as standard equipment,
or as an option, for a specific model handgun on the IPSC approved
handgun list are permitted, subject to the following:
19.1. Modifications to them, other than minor detailing (the removal of
burrs and/or adjustments unavoidably required in order to fit
replacement OFM parts or components, and/or identifying marks
which add or remove negligible weight to/from magazines), are
prohibited. Other prohibited modifications include those which
facilitate faster reloading (e.g. flared, enlarged and/or add-on
magwells, etc.) changing the original color and/or finish of a
handgun, and/or adding stripes or other embellishments.
19.2. Magazines accessible to a competitor during a COF must not contain
more that 15 rounds at the Start Signal.
19.3. Sights may be trimmed, adjusted and/or have sight black applied.
20. Aftermarket parts, components and accessories are prohibited, except as
follows:
20.1. Aftermarket magazines are permitted, subject to 19.2 above.
20.2. Aftermarket open sights (see Rule 5.1.3.1) are permitted, provided
their installation and/or adjustment requires no alteration to the
handgun.
20.3. Aftermarket grips which match the profile of the OFM standard for
the approved handgun and/or the application of tape on grips (see
Appendix F4) is permitted, however, rubber sleeves are prohibited.
21. A competitor who fails to comply with any of the requirements above will
be subject to Rule 6.2.5.1.
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22-07-2010, 09:45 #4
Re: SD firearm modifications and the CFR?
Spend some time here on Brian Enos' Forums (they do have a specific M&P forum also) and see what the guys who shoot them in Production are doing.
I know S&W is now delivering the Pro models in .40 as well as 9mm and they also make a Massachusetts compliant trigger return spring (few people know they offer these but they do) that is even stronger than the duty spring offered by Apex, so it would seem that the parts are all availabkle from S&W to set the trigger up very similarly to an Apex DAEK, by someone who knows what they are doing.
Enos forums here...
http://www.brianenos.com/forums/Run Fast, Bite Hard!
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22-07-2010, 11:25 #5
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22-07-2010, 13:12 #6
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Re: SD firearm modifications and the CFR?
Yes it is enforced. You may not have more than 15 in the magazine as from the beginning of 2010 and we have been shooting it like that at club and national level like that.
@ Prodigal...I see no reason why you should not be able to motivate say two of the same firearms...one for SD and one for Sport. You clearly go with the route that the identical one for sport is that you do not want to expose your SD firearm to serious wear and tear due to high usage in sport and that you can live with a malfunction of sort in a sporting match but not in a SD situation. Also by choosing two similar firearms you ensure peak proficiency with your SD firearm due to the use of the same type in sport. Yes mys situation is slighly different due to the fact that I have my sons Glock on my name but I have 2 x Glock 17's and 2 x Vektor SP1's. The one Vektor is Productio Legal and the other not and I motivated that the one is for Production Class and the other for Standard although their is no technical reason why I can't use the Production Legal one in Standard Guns as is and not be on the same level as the one that is not Production Legal.
Not sure about the APEX issue with the S&W's.
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22-07-2010, 17:19 #7
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Re: SD firearm modifications and the CFR?
Thanks ikor for the tips on the pro parts, what I'm trying to achieve though is to use the fact that my SD gun cannot be used for my sport, therefore I 'need' a second one.
Thanks Corne, that's the idea I was hoping to use. It seems from the advice here that it's the way to go. Thanks.
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