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    Default Why Gandhi is reluctantly welcome in African continent?

    “Was Mohandas Karamchand Gandhi, the revered leader of India’s freedom movement, a racist?”
    https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...-black-people/

    The book “The South African Gandhi: Stretcher-Bearer of Empire.” by Ashwin Desai is Professor of Sociology at the University of Johannesburg. Goolam Vahed is Associate Professor of History at the University of KwaZulu Natal.

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    "This is a wonderful demonstration of meticulously researched, evocative, clear-eyed and fearless history writing. It uncovers a story, some might even call it a scandal, that has remained hidden in plain sight for far too long. The South African Gandhi is a big book. It is a serious challenge to the way we have been taught to think about Gandhi." (Arundhati Roy)

    "The South African Gandhi finally offers a real and convincing account of Indian life and politics in South Africa, and Gandhi's changing place within it. Its critique of the sanctimonious and nationalistic historiography around Gandhi allows the authors to recover a Gandhi beyond moralism." (Faisal Devji University of Oxford)

    "The South African Gandhi's detailed treatment of how Gandhi operated in the South African political context is a significant contribution to the growing revisionist literature. Most arresting perhaps to readers familiar only with the hagiography will be Gandhi's persistent attempts to improve the position of South African Indians by emphasising their superiority to Africans and reliability as subjects of Empire." (Kathryn Tidrick)

    "In this impressively researched study, two South African scholars of Indian background bravely challenge political myth-making on both sides of the Indian Ocean that has sought to canonize Gandhi as a founding father of the struggle for equality there. They show that the Mahatma-to-be carefully refrained from calling on his followers to throw in their lot with the black majority. The mass struggle he finally led remained an Indian struggle." (Joseph Lelyveld author of Great Soul: Mahatma Gandhi and His Struggle with India)”
    https://www.amazon.com/South-African.../dp/080479717X

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    Default Re: Why Gandhi is reluctantly welcome in African continent?

    By today’s standards everyone was a racist. Everyone believed in their tribe, race, volk, clan or people. Historical personalities cannot be measured by the same yard stick that is used on every aspect of ones life today. It’s disingenuous to do so and also unjust to men who had just principals and moral convictions but lived in a different world.

    Gandhi stood up for his tribe and the same principals can be applied for other tribes. In the and world he lived he did good.

    The same can be said for Smuts, Churchill, Lincoln, Washington etc. That is why context and not revisionism is important
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    He drove a wedge into the unity that the people of Indian and African descent fostered.
    He was a politician and he was a businessman. He did some good for India but he was "captured" by the power hungry Nehru family and in the haste to grab power allowed India to be split along ridiculous lines.

    He is a hero in India, go build a massive statue there. He has no place in South Africa as a hero.

    ( Durban General Post Office had 2 entrances, one for Whites and one for Non-Whites. Gandhi then agitated for a third entrance for Indians because it was beneath him to queue with the "Filthy African")

    His actions in JHB also stripped Indian war veterans of the Boer War of their ranks and pensions. After all this he left to India leaving behind a nice rift he caused. Everybody knows about his stretch bearing British Propaganda , all this at the expense of the men that saw action on the front but GB wanted this fact hidden to maintain a "White mans" war. Gandhi was a tool.

    As for those so called Professors, they massaged history for their dissertations and status and egos.

    Indians have been in RSA since Van Riebeck not since 1860 and Gandhi has caused this part of history in RSA to be buried.

    BTW a statue in West Africa was pulled down.

    WRT to the Statue in PMB, it is not representative of the Gandhi in RSA. When he was denied access to First Class on the train he was dressed like an English Barrister and not as he is depicted during the Indian Freedom struggle.
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    live out your imagination , not your history.

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    One more thing ... He so called passive resistance , ya well it was passive from his part to keep his ass safe but he manipulated the masses into sectarian violence to obtain his political outocomes. He achieved this by his so called hunger strikes thus pitting his side against the other on the streets that resulted in unbelievable carnage. Most often his fast would last only a few days anyway and he was far from dying of starvation. So violence was very much in play during the freedom struggle.

    Gandhi prevented the lowest sector of India getting political protection written into the constitution by the British during the negotiation. ( not many people will remember this)
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    Default Re: Why Gandhi is reluctantly welcome in African continent?

    He drove a wedge into the unity that the people of Indian and African descent fostered.
    Now is a wonderful opportunity to re-kindle that love affair.

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    Default Re: Why Gandhi is reluctantly welcome in African continent?

    Quote Originally Posted by KK20 View Post
    He is a hero in India, go build a massive statue there. He has no place in South Africa as a hero.
    Cape Town in catch 22 situation, DA will face big trouble. It is possible ANC did pass the buck to Cape Town. Cape Town gets Gandhi statue; “The Indian government proposed that the life-size statue be unveiled on the anniversary of Gandhi’s birth on October 2.”

    https://citizen.co.za/news/south-afr...te-complaints/

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    Gandhi had nothing to do in CT during his South African stay. Putting up a statue in Cape Town is nothing but a Govt of India's attempt to penetrate the market there.
    Back in India the Modi government is recognizing many of the other forgotten or deliberately ignored Heroes .
    India is using Gandhi as a brand to penetrate markets. Gandhi has historical roots in Durban, PMB , Northern Natal and JHB. It would make sense to do something in these areas not Cape Town.
    Gandhi in his Khadi attire is inappropriate in the South African context as in RSA he was dressed as an Englishman. Only in India to reject British culture and break the British textile industry was his attire appropriate.

    Why are the Indians paying for a statue of their hero to be erected in a foreign land? To serve what purpose orther than to promote their national interest. They should save the money and promote better understanding and tolerance of Black Africans in their country. They have an appalling record on good race relations.


    ( The former Point Road in Durban is now Mahatma Gandhi Road, quite appropriate that a long standing red light district is renamed after him as he is a known pedophile)


    FYI India is building a memorial to Nathuram Godse, the man that assassinated Gandhi.

    further Bose who was a real Indian Struggle hero was killed with Gandhi's organization being complicit. Talk about the Party and political assassination!
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    KK you have brought to light much I did not know about Gandhi
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    Quote Originally Posted by CorditeCrazy View Post
    By today’s standards everyone was a racist. Everyone believed in their tribe, race, volk, clan or people. Historical personalities cannot be measured by the same yard stick that is used on every aspect of ones life today. It’s disingenuous to do so and also unjust to men who had just principals and moral convictions but lived in a different world.

    Gandhi stood up for his tribe and the same principals can be applied for other tribes. In the and world he lived he did good.

    The same can be said for Smuts, Churchill, Lincoln, Washington etc. That is why context and not revisionism is important
    Yes sir. Couldn't have said it better myself

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