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Thread: SAPS Latest harrassment tactic
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20-10-2019, 10:08 #11
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None of what you do above is required by the law - strictly speaking?
My safe has been inspected, quite some time ago, and I have a SAPS certificate from my DFO stating that it is acceptable.
But they still want all their bullshit photos etc.
And as you say, having those photos in hand helps with the application but are we not dancing to their tune and soon all these and other "random" requirements will be in the "DFO checklist " for us all to comply with...
And the cycle continues...sadly & frustratingly...
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20-10-2019, 14:36 #12
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Re: SAPS Latest harrassment tactic
Pdh asks if it is only one DFO, and Plinker asks if it was Somerset West. It was neither - obviously it came from the DFO at my nephew's local station but the order to demand it came from SAPS regional office in Cape Town. Pdh is perfectly right that if we all comply because its easier than resisting that will amount to accepting SAPS right to invent what rules it likes. That's not why I recommended that we all keep log books. Far from it - we should resist it en masse which will provide a basis for class action. I advised that we keep log books as insurance because the harsh truth is that we are not winning this battle, and we can be sure that it will appear in the next round of amendments. This should be seen as the other half of the attempt to repeal SD licences, and make us like the British - firearms allowed only for sport and even then barely tolerated.
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20-10-2019, 15:21 #13
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Re: SAPS Latest harrassment tactic
My last Sec16 renewal all I did was write out “as per original motivation” and attach a printout of all my logged activities off NHSA website. This was about 2 or 3 years back. I refused to rewrite a motivation as these assholes should have the original on file, but my understanding was you have to demonstrate usage of the firearm as it was initially licensed for, hence the printout. The printout shows all logged activities sine the inception of the website and TBH they can check I’m not going to sit and highlight each one specific to my Sec 16 firearm in question
Don’t take life too seriously, no one gets out alive.
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20-10-2019, 22:31 #14
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Re: SAPS Latest harrassment tactic
Hi CorditeCrazy, I trust you were awarded with the renewal? I agree exactly with what you said above as circumstances have or will not change for practically everyone?
I recently spoke with a friend of mine as he has to do his renewal and the DFO at Klip River instructed him that he has to do a new motivation and won't accept "as per original motivation" or something of that sort. Sigh.
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21-10-2019, 07:30 #15
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21-10-2019, 09:10 #16
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Re: SAPS Latest harrassment tactic
This is why I will not carry a sect 16
Call me paranoid, but it just takes that one unknowing arrogant official and you can have a very sore bum.
That and my DFO basically flat out argued with me that it illegal
I know its not, and I know her pension would but lots more guns, But fok I am sick of the ignorance in this country
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21-10-2019, 15:02 #17
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Re: SAPS Latest harrassment tactic
I am wondering now.... how do you prove you are using your firearm for self defense then? If you were not (un)fortunate enough to have someone break into your house and you shooting them, should you then periodically coax some unsuspecting bergie into your house and shoot them?
Just to make it clear, I am being facetious.
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21-10-2019, 15:24 #18
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Cattle die, kindred die, every man is mortal:
But I know one thing that never dies,
the glory of the great dead.
Havamal
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21-10-2019, 15:32 #19
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22-10-2019, 08:39 #20
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Re: SAPS Latest harrassment tactic
Look necessity would then dictate my action
If I had 8 guys kicking my door down would I introduce them to a mag of 7.62x39, yes of course
But having my DFO ask me why I am licensing additional handguns, while she was telling my uncle to hand in his green card, expired white card, because they are illegal, kind of puts me in a spot of shit in my local area, as her misinformation goes directly to the guys on the street.
Did I try License the green, expired white guns? Yes. Did I show them the judgment on green cards, yes. Did I phone GOSA for advice, yes.
These guys are a law unto themselves with no apparant standard. So yes I get what you are saying regarding losing my sect 13, and yes I would carry a sect 15 or 16, but again that would be because I would have to.
I wish my DFO listened
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