Firearm amnesty in December

**Speed_Freak** · 24-10-2019, 08:33

Originally Posted by Steven001

Yaaay!! Finally all the dirty criminals will hand in their illegal firearms so that our streets will be safe again!!!

Unless the firearm has been used in a crime, then they will charge you!
Just how monumentally brain-dead can one be to think that a hardened criminal will hand in their firearm, knowing it's been used in a crime and while they are at it supply ID number, Proof of residence, and contact number?

**curious george** · 24-10-2019, 13:11

Originally Posted by Speed_Freak

Unless the firearm has been used in a crime, then they will charge you!
Just how monumentally brain-dead can one be to think that a hardened criminal will hand in their firearm, knowing it's been used in a crime and while they are at it supply ID number, Proof of residence, and contact number?

Only, this never really was about criminals and their guns...

**Speed_Freak** · 25-10-2019, 08:19

Originally Posted by curious george

Only, this never really was about criminals and their guns...

So much of true!
If it was, the amnesty would take in and destroy illegally obtained or held firearms with a welding torch right in front of the person the moment it was handed in, no questions asked

**Kevin Botha** · 27-11-2019, 14:06

Gazette Publication

https://www.4x4community.co.za/forum/showthread.php/323242-Any-news-on-Amnesty?p=4278233#post4278233

**Paul** · 27-11-2019, 14:14

You might notice that the notice (groan) is ultra vires the Act. Sub section (d) in particular.

Also... notice that the notice (groan X2) was signed in August... long before Parliament actually gave the nod.

Also... no opportunity for renewal of expired licences at all.

This bunch of muppets will stop at nothing to push their disarmament agenda.

**Speed_Freak** · 27-11-2019, 14:30

Originally Posted by Paul

You might notice that the notice (groan) is ultra vires the Act. Sub section (d) in particular.

Also... notice that the notice (groan X2) was signed in August... long before Parliament actually gave the nod.

Also... no opportunity for renewal of expired licences at all.

This bunch of muppets will stop at nothing to push their disarmament agenda.

So an amnesty signed by the Honorable General Bhekokwakhe Hamilton Cele, before parliament was bulldozed into accepting the amnesty, shows they acted before approval was even given
How is this Amnesty legal given that?

**GK21** · 27-11-2019, 17:16

Where does section 139(2) of the FCA state that Parliament must approve the notice before it is signed. It merely states the notice will only be valid if approved by Parliament, thereby presupposing the notice comes into existence first and becomes valid once approved by Parliament....unless I’m missing something?

**GK21** · 27-11-2019, 17:22

Originally Posted by Paul

Also... no opportunity for renewal of expired licences at all.

Again might be missing something, but does paragraph (c) of the notice not contemplate relicencing of a firearm in respect of which the licence has expired?

Also pray tell...why is (d) ultra vires the FCA?

That said paragraph (c) is poorly worded and contradictory.

**Davidc** · 27-11-2019, 17:24

Originally Posted by GK21

Again might be missing something, but does paragraph (c) of the notice not contemplate relicencing of a firearm in respect of which the licence has expired?

Also pray tell...why is (d) ultra vires the FCA?

That said paragraph (c) is poorly worded and contradictory.

All amnesties in the past had this provision, it’s not specific to expired licenses and there is no guarantee it will be successful.

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**GK21** · 27-11-2019, 17:32

[QUOTE=Davidc;1342448]All amnesties in the past had this provision, it’s not specific to expired licenses and there is no guarantee it will be successful.”

That may be so but my point was that you could apply to relicence a firearm in respect of which the licence has expired since section 139(4) specifically allow for this.

As for no guarantee of a successful application, there have never been guarantees for any application i.t.o the FCA