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    Default Re: ISIS Leader Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi Killed ‘Whimpering and Crying’ in U.S.-Syria Raid: Trump

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    I think many people here know who Baghdadi was or have heard the name many times on the news going back to after 9/11 and definitely Benghazi.

    Of course, regarding Trump........it’s always about elections, for any elected official. Right now though, while it’s still about that, it’s also about deflection.......with the impeachment hearing.

    A win is good for him now and he will milk it for all its worth.

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    Default Re: ISIS Leader Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi Killed ‘Whimpering and Crying’ in U.S.-Syria Raid: Trump

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    Apparantly they had DNA testing equipment

    Not sure how they got results at the same moment though

    I still rate Bin laden isn't dead, and is held in a basement somewhere
    Bin Laden was shot in the head by a Navy Seal wit an HK 416 Assault Rifle, put in a body bag and dumped from an Aircraft Carrier into the Indian Ocean.

    So unless he survived a headshot from a 5.56mm FMJ that blew away one of his eyes and part of his skull (according to witnesses), survived the fall into the ocean and hitched a ride to land on a passing shark, I seriously doubt Osama is still alive.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GAZZAMCK View Post
    Apparantly they had DNA testing equipment

    Not sure how they got results at the same moment though
    They would already have a sample to match it against. It also helps that they have a fresh corpse to take a large sample from. A DNA test is an umbrella term for a whole range of test that can be done. To match one individual to another, like a paternity test, is quick and straight forward. If you are willing to pay for it, you can have the results the next day.

    The waiting times associated with DNA test, is not really because the science is complicated, but because of backlogs and administrative requirments. Even more so if there needs to be a record of chain of custody. (Not that that the science part can't be complicated. This is true for when you have smaller, and sometimes older quantities a genetic material to work with.)

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    https://www.foxnews.com/world/how-al...identified-dna
    After years of intelligence gathering, U.S. Special Operation Forces had no doubts the mutilated body of a man killed during Saturday night’s daring raid in Syria was the long-sought ISIS leader, employing new technology and DNA testing to positively identify Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi's headless remains almost immediately.
    While the commandos had visually identified al-Baghdadi before he fled down a dead-end tunnel with three children -- where he was found "whimpering" and trapped before detonating a suicide vest -- that wasn’t enough. Various accounts have told of his death in the past, only for him to surface yet again.

    “There wasn’t much left,” President Trump said of al-Baghdadi’s remains during a Sunday morning news conference following the raid, “but there are still substantial pieces that they brought back.”
    Al-Baghdadi’s head remained intact following the blast, allowing commandos to use biometrics, specifically facial recognition, to immediately identify him, Fox News National Correspondent Jennifer Griffin reported.


    Biometrics is a method of authenticating a person’s ID that uses human features such as fingerprints, facial recognition or other physical characteristics.
    U.S. forces can use an image taken of a terrorist or suspect to search databases of photos the military has built up over time to match the individual’s identity, according to the Army Times.But the soldiers didn’t just rely on biometric analysis.
    Trump said they had brought along samples of al-Baghdadi’s DNA. It was unclear how they obtained the ISIS leader's DNA, but a U.S. official told The Washington Post on condition of anonymity that it was voluntarily provided by one of his own daughters.
    They did an onsite test because we had to know this,” Trump said. “And it was a very quick call that took place about 15 minutes after he was killed, and it was positive.”
    "It was him," Trump declared.

    After Navy Seals killed Al Qaeda leader Usama bin Laden in Pakistan in 2011, it took eight hours to make a positive identification through DNA analysis, The Washington Post reported in 2013, citing a top-secret U.S. intelligence document. Samples of the terrorist's remains had to be physically taken to a U.S. military DNA lab in Afghanistan to provide a conclusive match.
    Since then, advances in technology have allowed for so-called on-the-spot DNA testing, which dramatically cuts down the processing time for results.

    In 2015, SOCOM revealed the use of new types of portable DNA labs that could produce results in just 90 minutes rather than weeks of waiting, Defense News reported at the time. The devices at the time weighed about 120 to 200 pounds and cost about $250,000 each.
    "It's a groundbreaking, game-breaking technology," Michael Fitz, SOCOM's program manager for sensitive site exploitation, told the outlet at the time.


    He hoped that advances in technology could soon produce smaller, lightweight devices.
    It’s unclear what type of devices were used during the al-Baghdadi raid to positively identify the ISIS leader.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Johann du Toit View Post
    Bin Laden was shot in the head by a Navy Seal wit an HK 416 Assault Rifle, put in a body bag and dumped from an Aircraft Carrier into the Indian Ocean.

    So unless he survived a headshot from a 5.56mm FMJ that blew away one of his eyes and part of his skull (according to witnesses), survived the fall into the ocean and hitched a ride to land on a passing shark, I seriously doubt Osama is still alive.

    Because we were all there to see it, and soldiers have never lied or fabricated stories

    It just makes more sense to take him alive, with the info he had on the terror network "that could destroy america"

    Samora M. Machel's plane also "crashed"

    I HOPE Bin is dead, but I'm not blind to the fact that he was a literal goldmine of information

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    Bin laden died quiet a while before the killed him again. I would think that bin laden would’ve made a quiet a trophy , I mean he evaded the war monger bush and Clinton only be to hooked by not so bad war monger Obama. Why dump the evidence ? Why not show it off? That’s exactly what they did with Sadam. But bin laden is way more valuable.

    This character Baghdadi just seems odd , he appears on 1 or 2 YouTube videos , claims to take the “khalifat” which only his ppl seem to follow. No one has ever met or seen him, no one has spoken to him, sets of an “ideology” Then disappears for years, sending fwd spokesman.This day had to come , after him it will be someone else. Timing is everything when killing major terrorist leaders.

    The way we view it is vastly different to the way Americans view it, it doesn’t matter our opinions or theories, it matters what the voting Americans Think. That’s how you stay in office.

    Is the video of the raid available for public viewing ? Would be nice to see how the cameramen survived a suicide bombing , which they were so close to that they identified his speech.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GAZZAMCK View Post
    Because we were all there to see it, and soldiers have never lied or fabricated storiesIt just makes more sense to take him alive, with the info he had on the terror network "that could destroy america"Samora M. Machel's plane also "crashed"I HOPE Bin is dead, but I'm not blind to the fact that he was a literal goldmine of information
    Soldiers follow orders...

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    Soldiers follow orders...

    Just saying common sense says you bleed the leader for info, you smash his tunnels (that the most advanced military nation on earth couldn't)
    then you shoot him in the face. But hey, bravo six going dark, so must be true

    I do understand the Euro ban on the Burqa though, I mean Bin Laden just had to wear one of those in pakistan and who would have known? seriously

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