R4's stolen from SANDF base

**flyinggun** · 30-12-2019, 06:52

Most possibly during spot check executed by personnel not directly responsible for weapon stores. External checks must be done twice a year and stocktake once a year. Can also be during the stocktake.

**PTsalas** · 30-12-2019, 16:22

Originally Posted by flyinggun

Most possibly during spot check executed by personnel not directly responsible for weapon stores. External checks must be done twice a year and stocktake once a year. Can also be during the stocktake.

Ah, ok thanks.

**BrushStroke** · 30-12-2019, 18:58

Can you imagine the shit storm that would be blowing if this happened to a security company. The minister would be calling for their closure and the responsible people to be jailed.

**HadEnuf** · 31-12-2019, 09:14

Well, it’s not only happening here :

https://news.sky.com/story/revealed-...bases-11897189

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**JhbBoy** · 24-04-2020, 12:33

https://ewn.co.za/2020/04/24/suspect...s-granted-bail

Two suspects under the employ of the South African National Defence Force (SANDF) arrested for allegedly stealing rifles from the SANDF’s Pretoria military base were granted bail on Wednesday.
The pair - Lance Corporal Sidwel Babini Tyawana (36) and Sapper Tumelo Christian Mangale (28) - were nabbed following a joint investigation by the Military Police and Gauteng branch of the Hawks after 18 R4 rifles and three pistols went missing from the Tek Base in Lyttelton.
“The joint investigation led to the arrest of Tyawana in Oudtshoorn, Western Cape, on 3 February this year. Two days later on 5 February, Mangale was arrested while on duty at SA Army Engineer Formation [Tek Base],” said the Hawks and SANDF in a joint statement on Friday.
Authorities found the stolen firearms were hidden, whilst others were sold to different individuals, particularly in the East Rand area.
“A relentless pursuit by the joint investigations team led them to Daveyton where a further thirteen (13) R4 rifles and a 9mm pistol were recovered. Another firearm, a 9mm pistol, was recovered in a veld in Kwa-Thema. The recovered firearms were sent for ballistic testing in Pretoria,” the statement read.
The suspects are expected back in court at Thaba-Tshwane on 17 June.
Meanwhile, following leads, another suspect Kgotso Mooketsi (36) - an employee of the Department of Education in Gauteng who was out on bail for an unrelated armed robbery case - was arrested in Springs in possession of an R4 rifle and three empty magazines.
Mooketsi, was charged and appeared at the Springs magistrate court in February and April respectively. He was remanded in custody pending his next court appearance on 4 May.

**driepootx** · 24-04-2020, 12:36

And they still grant bail to the perpetrators ??????

**SSP** · 24-04-2020, 12:43

Originally Posted by driepootx

And they still grant bail to the perpetrators ??????

Yes because that's how justice systems in the free world work.

Every one rants and raves about not giving bail to people, right up until they get arrested for shooting someone in self defence.

**Brendank** · 24-04-2020, 13:47

Originally Posted by SSP

Yes because that's how justice systems in the free world work.

Every one rants and raves about not giving bail to people, right up until they get arrested for shooting someone in self defence.

Precisely.

**Tayls** · 24-04-2020, 14:45

Originally Posted by SSP

Yes because that's how justice systems in the free world work.

Every one rants and raves about not giving bail to people, right up until they get arrested for shooting someone in self defence.

I hear you, but surely this shouldn't also apply in the case of re-offenders who use violence and weapons!?

**SSP** · 24-04-2020, 14:58

Originally Posted by Tayls

I hear you, but surely this shouldn't also apply in the case of re-offenders who use violence and weapons!?

Criminal records, pending cases and the nature of the crimes that an accused has been charged with are all taken into consideration when determining whether bail is granted and, if so, the amount of bail.

Just because someone was convicted of a crime in the past does not mean that you are guilty of the crime with which you are now charged.

For instance, to use your criteria, a guy who slapped some guy in a bar 20 years ago and paid admission of guilt for common assault (resulting in a criminal conviction) now has to remain in prison without bail when he uses his firearm, or anything else for that matter, to defend himself legitimately?