Active shooter in Las Vegas

**Springer** · 12-10-2017, 00:55

Originally Posted by shark_za

Id actually bet that 90% of the posters here could pull that sort of thing off, keyboard warrior or not.

That's a yes from me. Classic - Very good.

**jimmyh** · 12-10-2017, 04:19

https://www.dailymaverick.co.za/arti...will-continue/

Lucky for us GFSA has got it covered.

**pblaauw** · 12-10-2017, 06:43

http://www.whatdoesitmean.com/index2399.htm

...and then some theories are just way out there...the shooting was a warning to Trump and a sacrifice to the owl god Moloch...

I need more coffee for this...

**camouflage762** · 12-10-2017, 08:30

Hotel worker warned of shooter before Las Vegas massacre

By MICHAEL BALSAMO, Associated Press/Oct 11, 2017

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A maintenance worker said Wednesday he told hotel dispatchers to call police and report a gunman had opened fire with a rifle inside Mandalay Bay before the shooter began firing from his high-rise suite into a crowd at a nearby musical performance.

The revised timeline has renewed questions about whether better communication might have allowed police to respond more quickly and take out the gunman before he committed the deadliest mass shooting in modern U.S. history.

Worker Stephen Schuck told NBC News that he was checking out a report of a jammed fire door on the 32nd floor of Mandalay Bay when he heard gunshots and a hotel security guard, who had been shot in the leg, peeked out from an alcove and told him to take cover.

"As soon as I started to go to a door to my left the rounds started coming down the hallway," Schuck said. "I could feel them pass right behind my head.

"It was kind of relentless so I called over the radio what was going on," he said. "As soon as the shooting stopped we made our way down the hallway and took cover again and then the shooting started again."

Police said Monday they believe gunman Stephen Paddock shot a hotel security guard through the door of his suite six minutes before he unleashed a barrage of bullets into the crowd of concert-goers, killing 58 people and injuring hundreds more.

The injured guard used his radio and possibly a hallway phone to also call hotel dispatchers for help.

That account differs dramatically from the one police gave last week when they said Paddock fired through the door of his room and injured the unarmed guard after shooting into the crowd.

The company that owns Mandalay Bay has questioned the new timeline.

"We cannot be certain about the most recent timeline," said Debra DeShong, a spokeswoman for MGM Resorts International. "We believe what is currently being expressed may not be accurate."

Las Vegas police did not respond Tuesday night to questions about the hotel's statement.

"Our officers got there as fast as they possibly could and they did what they were trained to do," Las Vegas assistant sheriff Todd Fasulo said earlier Tuesday.

Gunshots can be heard in the background as Schuck reported the shooting on his radio, telling a dispatcher: "Call the police, someone's firing a gun up here. Someone's firing a rifle on the 32nd floor down the hallway."

It was unclear if the hotel relayed the information to Las Vegas police, who did not respond to questions from The Associated Press about whether hotel security or anyone else in the hotel called 911 to report the gunfire.

Joseph Giacalone, a professor at John Jay College of Criminal Justice and a retired New York City police sergeant, said the new timeline "changes everything."

"There absolutely was an opportunity in that timeframe that some of this could've been mitigated," he said.

Nicole Rapp, whose mother was knocked to the ground and trampled at the country music concert said she's "having a hard time wrapping my head around" why police changed the timeline of the shooting.

"It's very confusing to me that they are just discovering this a week later," she said. "How did we not know this before? It's traumatic for the victims and their families not to be sure of what happened."

The six minutes that passed between the hallway shooting and the start of the shooting into the crowd wouldn't have been enough time for officers to stop the attack, said Ron Hosko, a former FBI assistant director who has worked on SWAT teams. Rather than rush in without a game plan, police would have been formulating the best response to the barricaded gunman, he said.

"Maybe that's enough time to get the first patrolman onto the floor but the first patrolman is not going to go knock on that customer's door and say 'What's going on with 200 holes in the door?'" Hosko said.

Undersheriff Kevin McMahill defended the hotel and said the encounter between Paddock and the security guard and maintenance man disrupted the gunman's plans. Paddock fired more than 1,000 bullets and had more than 1,000 rounds left in his room, the undersheriff said.

"I can tell you I'm confident that he was not able to fully execute his heinous plan and it certainly had everything to do with being disrupted," McMahill said. He added: "I don't think the hotel dropped the ball."

Associated Press writers Ken Ritter and Sally Ho in Las Vegas, Anita Snow in Phoenix and Sadie Gurman in Washington contributed to this report.

For complete coverage of the Las Vegas shooting, click here: https://apnews.com/tag/LasVegasmassshooting .

Flowers, candles and other items surround the famous Las Vegas sign at a makeshift memorial for victims of a mass shooting Monday, Oct. 9, 2017, in Las Vegas. Stephen Paddock opened fire on an outdoor country music concert killing dozens and injuring hundreds. (AP Photo/John Locher)

Clark County Sheriff Joe Lombardo, left, with Aaron C. Rouse, special agent in charge for the FBI in Nevada, discusses the Route 91 Harvest festival mass shooting at the Las Vegas Metropolitan Police Department headquarters in Las Vegas, Monday, Oct. 9, 2017. Law enforcement authorities on Monday made a significant change to the timeline of the mass shooting, saying the gunman shot a hotel security guard before he opened fire on concertgoers. (Erik Verduzco/Las Vegas Review-Journal via AP)

FILE - In this Oct. 3, 2017, file photo, investigators work among thousands of personal items at a festival grounds across the street from the Mandalay Bay Resort and Casino in Las Vegas. Friends and relatives of the victims and other concert-goers who survived returned Monday, Oct. 9, 2017, to reclaim baby strollers, shoes, phones, backpacks and purses left behind in the panic as they fled, at a Family Assistance Center at the Las Vegas Convention Center. (AP Photo/Marcio Jose Sanchez, File)

FILE - In this Oct. 4, 2017, file photo, shooting instructor Frankie McRae demonstrates the grip on an AR-15 rifle fitted with a "bump stock" at his 37 PSR Gun Club in Bunnlevel, N.C. The Brady Center to Prevent Gun Violence filed the lawsuit on Friday, Oct. 6, 2017, against the makers and sellers of “bump stocks,” which use the recoil of a semiautomatic rifle to let the finger "bump" the trigger, allowing the weapon to fire continuously. The devices were used by Stephen Paddock when he opened fire on a country music festival in Las Vegas, killing dozens of people. (AP Photo/Allen G. Breed, File)

Clark County Sheriff Joe Lombardo discusses the Route 91 Harvest festival mass shooting at the Las Vegas Metropolitan Police Department headquarters in Las Vegas, Monday, Oct. 9, 2017. Law enforcement authorities on Monday made a significant change to the timeline of the mass shooting, saying the gunman shot a hotel security guard before he opened fire on concertgoers. (Erik Verduzco/Las Vegas Review-Journal via AP)

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**Katlagter** · 12-10-2017, 08:47

Originally Posted by shark_za

Id actually bet that 90% of the posters here could pull that sort of thing off, keyboard warrior or not.
Have you actually listened to a full 20 minute live feed?
He moved slowly between bursts, almost incompetent if his aim was to kill as many people as possible,

Main talking points...

1. Lots of guns - overheating of rifles on bump fire is a reality he may have catered for. After firing he probably threw them on the couch we see and used another,
2. Getting guns into room - come on please, tip the bellhop and all your bags are there no matter how many or how heavy, keep them closed for 5 days and nobody will notice anything.
3. He did not need to aim, my geriatric grand mother could have shot as many with a bump stock over that time (+- 15 x 100 round bursts plus a few single aimed shots before). I didn't have LMG training but I bet I could put all mages into the festival area. You dont need to hit targets just put rounds into compacted people in a large area. Surprised on 59 were killed.
4. He used a bump fire stock on the rifles... come on you can hear the slow and inconsistent rate
5. He used 100 or 60 round surefire mags. - long bursts and they can be seen in the photos.
6. They have video evidence before the shooting, if they don't then anyone involved is being torn apart in the investigation
7.Owning 47 guns is not unusual, I know people on this thread who own more.

Motive, this is the real question

I think we need to be careful what we say here. Consider someone maliciously taking phrases out of this post and placing it on social media out of the context of the discussion or the post itself. This morning there was an Op-Ed by Peter Storey and Adele Kirsten of GFSA in the Daily Maverick, linking the Las Vegas and Philippi shootings. We must not give them ammunition.

**Lian** · 12-10-2017, 08:52

Can your geriatric grand mother handle 100s of rounds of full auto with muzzle brakes? Indoors. Without earpro.
I can barely handle a single stage on semi auto brakes, indoor, with earpro.

I'm still curious HOW he got the rifles up there, in what containers. Stuff like Pelican cases or rifle bags are pretty fn obvious.
A dozen gun crates are just as suspicious, and where are these crates now?

And sure as shit.... american congress is already trying to sneak in MASSIVE new laws:

**bronxlive** · 12-10-2017, 08:55

Originally Posted by camouflage762

Hotel worker warned of shooter before Las Vegas massacre

By MICHAEL BALSAMO, Associated Press/Oct 11, 2017

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A maintenance worker said Wednesday he told hotel dispatchers to call police and report a gunman had opened fire with a rifle inside Mandalay Bay before the shooter began firing from his high-rise suite into a crowd at a nearby musical performance.

The revised timeline has renewed questions about whether better communication might have allowed police to respond more quickly and take out the gunman before he committed the deadliest mass shooting in modern U.S. history.

Worker Stephen Schuck told NBC News that he was checking out a report of a jammed fire door on the 32nd floor of Mandalay Bay when he heard gunshots and a hotel security guard, who had been shot in the leg, peeked out from an alcove and told him to take cover.

"As soon as I started to go to a door to my left the rounds started coming down the hallway," Schuck said. "I could feel them pass right behind my head.

"It was kind of relentless so I called over the radio what was going on," he said. "As soon as the shooting stopped we made our way down the hallway and took cover again and then the shooting started again."

Police said Monday they believe gunman Stephen Paddock shot a hotel security guard through the door of his suite six minutes before he unleashed a barrage of bullets into the crowd of concert-goers, killing 58 people and injuring hundreds more.

The injured guard used his radio and possibly a hallway phone to also call hotel dispatchers for help.

That account differs dramatically from the one police gave last week when they said Paddock fired through the door of his room and injured the unarmed guard after shooting into the crowd.

The company that owns Mandalay Bay has questioned the new timeline.

"We cannot be certain about the most recent timeline," said Debra DeShong, a spokeswoman for MGM Resorts International. "We believe what is currently being expressed may not be accurate."

Las Vegas police did not respond Tuesday night to questions about the hotel's statement.

"Our officers got there as fast as they possibly could and they did what they were trained to do," Las Vegas assistant sheriff Todd Fasulo said earlier Tuesday.

Gunshots can be heard in the background as Schuck reported the shooting on his radio, telling a dispatcher: "Call the police, someone's firing a gun up here. Someone's firing a rifle on the 32nd floor down the hallway."

It was unclear if the hotel relayed the information to Las Vegas police, who did not respond to questions from The Associated Press about whether hotel security or anyone else in the hotel called 911 to report the gunfire.

Joseph Giacalone, a professor at John Jay College of Criminal Justice and a retired New York City police sergeant, said the new timeline "changes everything."

"There absolutely was an opportunity in that timeframe that some of this could've been mitigated," he said.

Nicole Rapp, whose mother was knocked to the ground and trampled at the country music concert said she's "having a hard time wrapping my head around" why police changed the timeline of the shooting.

"It's very confusing to me that they are just discovering this a week later," she said. "How did we not know this before? It's traumatic for the victims and their families not to be sure of what happened."

The six minutes that passed between the hallway shooting and the start of the shooting into the crowd wouldn't have been enough time for officers to stop the attack, said Ron Hosko, a former FBI assistant director who has worked on SWAT teams. Rather than rush in without a game plan, police would have been formulating the best response to the barricaded gunman, he said.

"Maybe that's enough time to get the first patrolman onto the floor but the first patrolman is not going to go knock on that customer's door and say 'What's going on with 200 holes in the door?'" Hosko said.

Undersheriff Kevin McMahill defended the hotel and said the encounter between Paddock and the security guard and maintenance man disrupted the gunman's plans. Paddock fired more than 1,000 bullets and had more than 1,000 rounds left in his room, the undersheriff said.

"I can tell you I'm confident that he was not able to fully execute his heinous plan and it certainly had everything to do with being disrupted," McMahill said. He added: "I don't think the hotel dropped the ball."

Associated Press writers Ken Ritter and Sally Ho in Las Vegas, Anita Snow in Phoenix and Sadie Gurman in Washington contributed to this report.

For complete coverage of the Las Vegas shooting, click here: https://apnews.com/tag/LasVegasmassshooting .

Flowers, candles and other items surround the famous Las Vegas sign at a makeshift memorial for victims of a mass shooting Monday, Oct. 9, 2017, in Las Vegas. Stephen Paddock opened fire on an outdoor country music concert killing dozens and injuring hundreds. (AP Photo/John Locher)

Clark County Sheriff Joe Lombardo, left, with Aaron C. Rouse, special agent in charge for the FBI in Nevada, discusses the Route 91 Harvest festival mass shooting at the Las Vegas Metropolitan Police Department headquarters in Las Vegas, Monday, Oct. 9, 2017. Law enforcement authorities on Monday made a significant change to the timeline of the mass shooting, saying the gunman shot a hotel security guard before he opened fire on concertgoers. (Erik Verduzco/Las Vegas Review-Journal via AP)

FILE - In this Oct. 3, 2017, file photo, investigators work among thousands of personal items at a festival grounds across the street from the Mandalay Bay Resort and Casino in Las Vegas. Friends and relatives of the victims and other concert-goers who survived returned Monday, Oct. 9, 2017, to reclaim baby strollers, shoes, phones, backpacks and purses left behind in the panic as they fled, at a Family Assistance Center at the Las Vegas Convention Center. (AP Photo/Marcio Jose Sanchez, File)

FILE - In this Oct. 4, 2017, file photo, shooting instructor Frankie McRae demonstrates the grip on an AR-15 rifle fitted with a "bump stock" at his 37 PSR Gun Club in Bunnlevel, N.C. The Brady Center to Prevent Gun Violence filed the lawsuit on Friday, Oct. 6, 2017, against the makers and sellers of “bump stocks,” which use the recoil of a semiautomatic rifle to let the finger "bump" the trigger, allowing the weapon to fire continuously. The devices were used by Stephen Paddock when he opened fire on a country music festival in Las Vegas, killing dozens of people. (AP Photo/Allen G. Breed, File)

Clark County Sheriff Joe Lombardo discusses the Route 91 Harvest festival mass shooting at the Las Vegas Metropolitan Police Department headquarters in Las Vegas, Monday, Oct. 9, 2017. Law enforcement authorities on Monday made a significant change to the timeline of the mass shooting, saying the gunman shot a hotel security guard before he opened fire on concertgoers. (Erik Verduzco/Las Vegas Review-Journal via AP)

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Now that is interesting. First question that pops into my mind is: What was the security guard doing in front of the shooters door in the first place? Was there any reports that he was checking out?? Was it just coincidence that he was there at that moment, or was he knocking on the door?

6 minutes wouldn't have been enough to stop the shooting from starting, but the cops had a report of exactly where the shooter were and what was happening so they would've at least been able to stop the shooting within a few minutes. I mean all the videos of the shooting seems to indicate that the police was rather quick on the scene, so why did they not storm the room if they had a report of the shooting?

**Harry OpieTremspoor** · 12-10-2017, 11:30

I don't understand their issue with time line.
Give me half an hour on their surveillance system and I will pen down an EXACT time line of events, to the second (complete, from him "smuggling his arms in to the time the cops enter his room). Doesn't matter if 3 or 4 systems were used with non matching time stamps.

I have worked on a lot of different surveillance systems over the past 20+ years and not once was is NOT possible to recreate incidents' time lines. What is their problem? Don't tell me a hotel in Las V does not have even an average quality surveillance system.