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Otherwise you can get a Pointer, exact copy of the A5, but made in Japan, as were Remington and Winchester barrels at one stage or another. Pointers are as good a quality as Miroku. Classic had them for R1450
:t::t:Quality at the right price
I take it you want to shoot IDPA 3 Gun/Multi Gun.
Franchi's are temperamental. I have a good friend who has one and his motto is that if you want one then buy 2 cause you will most probably need it some time.
Extrema - watch out for the recoil reducing system that may not be IDPA legal. I also think they are overly long for practical shotgun sports?
Imo the best semi-autos for IDPA 3 Gun Are in no particular order and they are available locally from time to time:
Remington 1100 Tac 4 (simple to operate but the 8+1 is not needed for IDPA)
Mossberg SPX (I have yet to handle but it seems nice and simple)
Benelli M2 - plain and simple inertia operated gun - low maintenance due to no gas parts to clean and maintain -light and fast handling.
Benelli m4 (some switches and manipulations to learn - extremely solid gun - durable)
Beretta PX4 (I have yet to handle it but it seems nice - I need to check the controls for kiss)
Imo the best configuration for IDPA is a 6 round tube and not longer than 18" barrel.
The 1100Tac4 is around 22" if I recall correctly and takes 8+1 - you do not load to full cap on this for IDPA. For IPSC this is a prime choice due to after market speed loaders and the tube capacity.
At this stage my top of the list for IDPA will be
Benelli M2 = my first choice but expensive.
Maybe the Mossberg SPX - depending on how it performs?? - should be reasonably priced at about 1/2 of the Benelli
Maybe the Beretta PX4 - depending on controls?? - should be similar in price of a Benelli
Remington 1100 Tac4 is a definate top choice especially if you want to compete in IPSC 3 Gun as well.
Afaik know there are some 1100 Tac4 on the way tot the local importer and we have an order for some of them - when they will get here??
Afaik there are also Mossberg SPX on the way to the local importer - about 3 months out.
Afaik some Benellis on the way to the local importer - 2 - 3 months out?
I would love to see and use the FN semi-auto gun - from what I read it would be an excellent choice.
The Saiga 12 GA is a nice combat shotgun with terrible moe sights and from what I read and hear it is a hit or miss and in the USA they are modified and enhanced to be nice shooting guns.
For IDPA just take into account that the mag will be deemed a "speed loader" - using this will require the back-up ammo (the 6 rounds not in the gun) not to be loaded in the spare mag - spare mag will be loaded with ammo one by one like a shooter will do with a tube mag shotgun when you need to do a reload..
Thanks Khumba for throwing a spanner in the works.The 3 months+ maybe wait is a bit annoying.I'm not fussy and will take any gun as long as it is practical and works.
They work very well. The primary problem is that people try to feed them the cheapest ammunition they can find; they do not feed well with cheap ammunition – give them a moderate quality and they run fine. The sights leave a lot to be desired.
No offence meant, but the rule is not well thought through. It is the approach of reducing all to the lowest common denominator. If that is the principle, the same rule should apply for manual rifles using magazines given that a number of people use lever action tube magazine rifles. Carried to its logical conclusion, if a number of people decided to use falling block singleshot rifles to compete, it should be the rule that everybody is required to load a single cartridge at a time. There is a fundamental difference between avoiding an equipment race and denying the ordinary general march of technological development.
Nobody – but nobody – goes into a confrontation situation with an empty magazine and loads it in the face of fire unless they have already expended all their magazines. The correct way to deal with this issue is not by requiring people to load magazines in the field but rather by applying a reasonable handicap number expressed as time. That would be a far more sensible approach than destroying the enjoyment of the sport by requiring somebody to do something that has absolutely no relationship whatever to reality, the latter after all being the entire philosophical foundation of IDPA.
sure, but the idea is to be a sport and at least try to level the playing field?
otherwise, they'll need to create a separate division just for magazine shotguns... because the others would bitch about the "unfair advantage".
May be ... but those are the rules currently. IDPA is a sport. IDPA has always been about the equipment the average man would have or use. IDPA is all about a level playing field. We sit with the divisional capacity rules - it is not reality for people shooting Hi-cap pistols. We sit with a lot of equipement rules. All the rules are there for the sport. This is not golf - we do not do handicap principles.
I guess if a shooter does not like the rules he can shoot a sport were the rules are different/to his liking.
Untill IDPA sets a rule to get Saiga 12 shotguns to compete in their own division those will be the rules here and we are trying locally to accommodate the Saiga users because the DMG rules specify "NO SPEED LOADERS OR DETACHABLE BOX MAGAZINES" .
You can ignore the rule and use a box mag and earn yourself a FTDR or maybe a DQ if you persist..
Good post.
IDPA is a game. It has a set of rules. Some of which are dumb. Thats just how it is. If you don't like the rules play another game.
IDPA is not training. IDPA is not practice "for the street". IDPA is not reality.
If one is unable to divorce gaming from fighting then perhaps one should do neither.
The rules do not, in my view, seek to reduce all to the LCD but rather seek to find a balance.