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24-11-2020, 15:46 #101
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Very true how people perceive this. There is an interesting book, nothing about guns etc. but they did do research on guns. Called freakonomics/superfreakonomics (not sure in which one) where the authors discussed which is more dangerous, a pool or a gun for kids. (Ok before anyone puts me to the stake it was done on USA statistics). They found kids have a 1 in 11000 chance of death in a pool and with guns a 1 in 1 million. Thus a 100 more likely chance of dying by visiting someone with a pool than visiting someone with a gun. My friends with pools and without guns, are always left speechless …
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24-11-2020, 15:59 #102
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Mentioned this in the Netflix thread, but I've managed to soften a few peoples attitude on hunting by referring them to a series call MeatEater. Brilliant hunting series. Unless your colleagues/acquaintances are assuming that all hunting is caged hunting, which is where a lot of the anti seems to come from.
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24-11-2020, 16:04 #103
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24-11-2020, 17:28 #104
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Hardly the same is it.
Is we treated guns like we did swimming pools and allowed our kids and the neighbours kids unfettered and unsupervised access to them any time and generally took the same attitude towards guns as we do swimming pools it am sure the accident numbers would be comparible.
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24-11-2020, 17:48 #105
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24-11-2020, 18:10 #106
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24-11-2020, 18:25 #107
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The poster did say it was a US statistic, the way they treat pools might be different to us and they certainly treat guns different to us.
Over here, nobody needs to store their pools in a safe if they are not carrying them.
Some really silly and off topic arguments on this thread now, and that while we do not have to convince each other of anything.
Back to the topic.
The laws and regulations about carry and drinking, drinking and driving are known.
Add common sense to that and it is not very complicated, still everyone decides for him/her self.
As far as carry around people is concerned, the fewer people know I carry the better, whether at work, driving, at a braai, anywhere really.
Where others carry legally, or choose not to, up to them really.
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25-11-2020, 06:55 #108
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I've carried a gun while swimming, had nowhere else safe to put it and came prepared with a small backpack and waterproof pouch for it. I've done the same while rafting.
I always hike armed with the gun in a holster or purpose made moonbag
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25-11-2020, 08:21 #109
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i carry every day, if i am going to stop past pub on way home, i have a 2 drink limit, both out of respect for driving and respect for the fact i am putting myself in a compromised position with my ability to use gun effectively and stepping into legal negative if drunk.
when i go out for a proper jol, i carry bank card and cell only, do not drive or carry. my wife generally is taxi she does not drink and carries. if i am not with wife plan is submissive victim
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25-11-2020, 10:23 #110
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I had the opportunity to do a "braai shoot" (invitation only event) late last year. At a private range with qualified instructor. Shot beforehand to set benchmark.
Lighted the fire and had a beer. Shot another round. Put meat on grill with another beer, and shoot another round, etc......... Everyone drank at own pace and between shoots just sat around fire braaing and chatting away (as per a normal braai at home). Went on till last shoot after 6th beer. (Instructor and "sidekick" sticked with the Oros).
I unfortunately did not keep copy of exact times and scores (and obviously not uploaded as activity on NATSHOOT), but the general trend was:
1st 2 beers: Slightly slower with slightly better accuracy as "clean"
3 beers: Time about the same as with 1&2 beers, but accuracy deteriorated
From 4th beer onwards all went pear-shaped (still hit the targets, but time and accuracy not even comparable to previous)
I am not advocating having a dop before precision shooting (or for that matter drinking and shooting at all), but it was a very insightful exercise in a controlled environment for me.
Although I am told I can handle my liquor quite well (hold my pose) I am not a "hard drinker" and my limit is usually 1.5 beers on occasion. Some of the heavier/regular drinkers shooting deteriorated faster than me, and others had no effect against their benchmark at the end of their sixpack. It therefore seems that it depends on individual, and not necessarily how many you had.
Granted it was not a scientific experiment, but interesting to do and experience and observe the others nonetheless.
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