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    So was scrolling down a link in another thread when I cam across a picture of a Glock frame with the slide removed... but when I read the text below it it said it was a SAR9.... But the insides look exactly like a Glock. I assume there are other guns which are the same?

    Same deal with the slide and how the spring fits, how the firing pin mechanism fits and so on.

    So who copied who, was it Glock that came up with the design or was it someone else.

    Surely you can't just copy and paste another manufacturers design with a few changes and call it your own and put it on the market? Though in the world of copyright there seems to be a lot of that going around, not just in the firearms industry. But in this case it's you could probably swap out parts from a Glock to a SAR9 and they would work

    It was from this link, scroll down for the picture https://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/...fired-handgun/

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    Copyright, on average, only lasts about 20 years. Also, something copyrighted in Austria but not in China can be copied legally in China.

    There is no such thing as a world-wide copyright; you have to copyright in every country you want to copy protection.

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    Have a look at the Sarsilmaz website. There is even a copy of a Baby Browning!

    https://www.sarsilmaz.com/en/catalog...TIC-PISTOLS/13

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    Quote Originally Posted by janfred View Post
    Copyright, on average, only lasts about 20 years. Also, something copyrighted in Austria but not in China can be copied legally in China.

    There is no such thing as a world-wide copyright; you have to copyright in every country you want to copy protection.
    Interesting. I would have thought that Glock would've copyrighted the Glock design in the US though, seeing as that would have been a very large market for them.

    But then I guess its a free for all if copyright only lasts 20 years. Personally I think 20 years is a ridiculously low time period. It's much longer in the book world as far as I know.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SoldierMan View Post
    .....Personally I think 20 years is a ridiculously low time period. It's much longer in the book world as far as I know.
    No. If you cannot make your R&D costs and a profit in 20 years, then let someone else try. If not, you'll get monopolies like Marconi had on anything radio. Also, time-limited patents drive innovation to stay ahead of the competition.

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    Quote Originally Posted by janfred View Post
    No. If you cannot make your R&D costs and a profit in 20 years, then let someone else try. If not, you'll get monopolies like Marconi had on anything radio. Also, time-limited patents drive innovation to stay ahead of the competition.
    I'm sure if you put your heart and soul into something new and R&D'd for years, only to have it copied 20 years later and sold for profit with next to zero R&D cost you might think again.

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    There's also a possibility that the SAR guys licenses the design. That happens a lot too.

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    The SAR (M12) steel pistol seems to be a copy from a Tanfoglio, which was copied and improved from the CZ75 line. A friend shoots one of these, a SA only variant, somewhat similar to a CZ75TS. It had a few hiccups when new, but has smoothed out nicely after a few thousand rounds.

    Apparently the Glock Gen 3 patents have expired, so we can expect to see quite a few copies of these models. Brownells has a whole line of major parts in all sorts of configurations. We can expect to see Turkish copies in various flavours soon. Even those who don't like how a Glock grip "feels in the hand" can now be accommodated.

    In or around 1980 Gaston Glock said "One day all pistols will be made this way". Well, he was not wrong...

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    For those in the know what exactly did Gaston Glock create that was new/revolutionary to the handgun at the time?

    I'm unfamiliar with the first gen of Glocks so maybe they have changed only a little, I wouldn't know. Can I open up my Gen 4 today and see it?

    Would appreciate any insight from you guys or will have to go searching.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SoldierMan View Post
    For those in the know what exactly did Gaston Glock create that was new/revolutionary to the handgun at the time?

    I'm unfamiliar with the first gen of Glocks so maybe they have changed only a little, I wouldn't know. Can I open up my Gen 4 today and see it?

    Would appreciate any insight from you guys or will have to go searching.
    The original Glock ("gen 1") pistol does not differ a lot from a current Gen 5 variant. Basic system is still the same. Some parts may not be interchangeable. You will have to compare them side-by-side to see all the changes and similarities.

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