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    Default Does a Safe need to have makers mark on it.

    Read some conflicting information about safe specs some say they just need to be proper thickness others say it needs manufacturers mark etc

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    Default Re: Does a Safe need to have makers mark on it.

    Quote Originally Posted by PepeFrogMan View Post
    Read some conflicting information about safe specs some say they just need to be proper thickness others say it needs manufacturers mark etc
    Mine doesn't have a mark or name and the person who inspected it seemed to think it was good enough. As long as the metal is thick enough and it has bolts that secure the door even if you grind off the hinges and most importantly it is secured to the wall (and floor would be a bonus) you shouldn't have a problem IMO.

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    Default Re: Does a Safe need to have makers mark on it.

    As long as it meets the minimum specs, you can make it yourself.

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    Default Re: Does a Safe need to have makers mark on it.

    This is not my understanding of the subject. Read the last comment on this thread as well:

    https://www.gunsite.co.za/forums/sho...rom-SAPS/page4

    If your safe does not have the markings then you might have an issue depending on the DFO.

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    Default Re: Does a Safe need to have makers mark on it.

    Norhing stops any person, making his own safe according to the specs, of placing his own name and serial number on the safe.

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    Default Re: Does a Safe need to have makers mark on it.

    Ja sure. I have no issues.

    But if your DFO does an inspection and says your safe is not SABS approved - Don't come back here and make a thread about the injustice you have received.

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    Default Re: Does a Safe need to have makers mark on it.

    The requirements does not state SABS approved. Just manufactured according to SABS specifications. There is a reason why a safe inspection is mandated; to check that the safe complies to specs.

    It sucks when your DFO requires a certificate. You have 3 options then. Take it to court on appeal, buy a new safe or get a professional engineer to certify that it complies to SABS 953-1:2008.

    As of yet, 4 safes and multiple successful firearm applications, 3 different DFO's have not had any problems. So, until the law changes, I will stand by my opinion.

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    Default Re: Does a Safe need to have makers mark on it.

    Every scrapyard has a pile of old safe plaques, I wonder what would stop you from just bolting one on?

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    Default Re: Does a Safe need to have makers mark on it.

    A safe does not need any Manufacturing markings or SABS markings. The person that requested that must show you where it is written. Ask your DFO for a copy of safe regulations to see if yours apply. Its free of charge.


    Extract: Government Gazette No: 15652
    Notice No: 787, Regulation Gazette No: 5305
    22 April 1994

    SAFES
    28. (1) The requirements with which a safe for the safekeeping of an arm shall comply for the purposes of sections 3(6) and 39(1) (j), (k) and (I) of the Act and these Regulations, are the following:
    (a)Material: the construction of the safe shall be of mild steel of commercial (or higher) quality;
    (b)side thickness: the thickness of the floor, roof and sides shall be at least 2 mm and the wall thickness of the door shall be at least 3 mm.
    (2) Specific requirements in respect of the design and construction of the doors of a safe referred to in this regulation, shall be the following:
    (a) Openings: When the door is closed, there shall not be an opening of more than 1 mm between the door and the door-frame.
    (b) Door-frame: If the hinges are concealed, the door-frame shall have a bended and welded construction with a reinforced rebate on three sides of the frame and in the case of hinges with a normal construction, the door-frame shall have a bended and welded construction with a reinforced rebate on all four sides of the frame. There shall be a protection guard (for instance a deflecting plate) to protect the lockpin.
    (c) Bolts: When the door is closed and locked, it shall not noticeably move if force is exerted by hand or with the handle, and the intervening space between any bolt and the rebate shall not exceed 1 mm. Doors of safes which are higher than 500 mm shall be equipped with at least three bolts.
    (d) Hinges: Doors shall have an upper and a lower hinge which shall be so constructed that the door may open through at least an angle of 100 degrees and that the distance between the hinges does not exceed 350 mm.
    (e) Locks: The safe door shall be equipped with one lever lock which shall have not less than ten levers of which not less than three shall be provided with false notches or a combination lock of the type which has three gears or an electronic lock which complies with the requirements approved of the South Africa Bureau of Standards:

    (3) The safe shall to the satisfaction of the Commissioner-
    (a) be affixed flush to a floor, wall or other immovable structure or part thereof of the house, flat, residence or other dwelling place of an applicant concerned; or

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zuku View Post
    A safe does not need any Manufacturing markings or SABS markings. The person that requested that must show you where it is written. Ask your DFO for a copy of safe regulations to see if yours apply. Its free of charge.Extract: Government Gazette No: 15652 Notice No: 787, Regulation Gazette No: 5305 22 April 1994 SAFES 28. (1) The requirements with which a safe for the safekeeping of an arm shall comply for the purposes of sections 3(6) and 39(1) (j), (k) and (I) of the Act and these Regulations, are the following: (a)Material: the construction of the safe shall be of mild steel of commercial (or higher) quality; (b)side thickness: the thickness of the floor, roof and sides shall be at least 2 mm and the wall thickness of the door shall be at least 3 mm. (2) Specific requirements in respect of the design and construction of the doors of a safe referred to in this regulation, shall be the following: (a) Openings: When the door is closed, there shall not be an opening of more than 1 mm between the door and the door-frame. (b) Door-frame: If the hinges are concealed, the door-frame shall have a bended and welded construction with a reinforced rebate on three sides of the frame and in the case of hinges with a normal construction, the door-frame shall have a bended and welded construction with a reinforced rebate on all four sides of the frame. There shall be a protection guard (for instance a deflecting plate) to protect the lockpin. (c) Bolts: When the door is closed and locked, it shall not noticeably move if force is exerted by hand or with the handle, and the intervening space between any bolt and the rebate shall not exceed 1 mm. Doors of safes which are higher than 500 mm shall be equipped with at least three bolts. (d) Hinges: Doors shall have an upper and a lower hinge which shall be so constructed that the door may open through at least an angle of 100 degrees and that the distance between the hinges does not exceed 350 mm.(e) Locks: The safe door shall be equipped with one lever lock which shall have not less than ten levers of which not less than three shall be provided with false notches or a combination lock of the type which has three gears or an electronic lock which complies with the requirements approved of the South Africa Bureau of Standards: (3) The safe shall to the satisfaction of the Commissioner- (a) be affixed flush to a floor, wall or other immovable structure or part thereof of the house, flat, residence or other dwelling place of an applicant concerned; or
    This is incorrect. Firearm safes need 3mm sides and 6mm door.

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