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Thread: 6.8 Western cartridge
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02-02-2021, 15:38 #21
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Re: 6.8 Western cartridge
Energy don't give penetration. Retained momentum does. Energy does however deform (and when in excess, break) bullets. To retain momentum the bullet needs to retain as much of it's initial mass as possible. Soft lead-core bullets impacting at high speeds are not going to do that, while a 130gr mono will in all probability retain its full mass.
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02-02-2021, 21:10 #22
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Re: 6.8 Western cartridge
Messor, just keep on hunting with your .308 and enjoy your hunts with the .270 and .338 in between. I will keep on hunting with my 30-06 loaded to .308 velocities and also enjoy my hunting. These grand new calibers have 0 advantage in the hunting field IMO.
With any of the following "normal" calibres any hunter is sorted IF he places the shot correctly and to do that he must know his rifle and load combination. None of them have any "special" features attributed to them, but all of them will do the job any day. Who calls shooting an animal at 400 + meters hunting in any case?
.243
.25-06
.270
7x57
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.30-06
300 Win
8x68S
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.375
.416 Rigby
For serious target shooting (which is a great sport. I am not taking anything away from those perfectionist shots. I admire them.), go for it. But from the wee little bit I know about this sport, the 6.8 Western will recoil too much and that is making me to believe it will not be a hit.
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03-02-2021, 20:30 #23
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Re: 6.8 Western cartridge
From practical hunting experience, bullet construction is far more important than bullet weight. Some practical examples:
1) In my 7x57, 130gr Barnes-X and 130gr Peregrine VRG-4 bullets penetrate deeper in large antelope (notably eland but including many blue wildebeest and gemsbok) than the 170gr PMP, the 170gr Sierra Pro-hunter and the 175gr Hornady Interlock.
2) In my 6.5 Creedmoor and 6.5x55, the 115gr Ballistix, the 118gr Peregrine VLR-4, the 120gr Peregrine VRG-4 and the 120gr Hornady GMX (all monometal expanding bullets) penetrate better than the 140gr Sierra Gameking, the 140gr Hornady Interlock, the 140gr Hornady A-max and the 143gr Hornady ELD-X in the larger antelope (again including eland, gemsbok, blue- and black wildebeest, waterbuck and zebra) And yes, I do know that a zebra is not an antelope, despite being a PH.
3) In my .300 win mag the 165gr Barnes TTSX, 165 gr Hornady GMX, 180gr Barnes TSX and 180gr Hornady GMX penetrated notably better in eland and other large antelope than the 200gr Hornady ELD-x and the 220gr Hornady Interlock.
The above is especially true where heavy bone and/or muscle was hit.
I am a PH and I am opinionated. (There is no such word as opiniated.)
I do know about the 6.8 Western.
I am actually surprisingly literate despite being a PH.
My opinions are based on literally thousands of bullets (of multiple designs ranging from target bullets to expanding monolithic bullets and non-expanding bullets) fired into literally thousands of animals, both by me and clients.
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03-02-2021, 20:47 #24
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Re: 6.8 Western cartridge
I’ve never understood the criticism of others as being opinionated while at the same time delivering a very definite opinion?
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03-02-2021, 22:57 #25
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04-02-2021, 06:37 #26
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Re: 6.8 Western cartridge
With any of the following "normal" calibres any hunter is sorted IF he places the shot correctly and to do that he must know his rifle and load combination. None of them have any "special" features attributed to them, but all of them will do the job any day. Who calls shooting an animal at 400 + meters hunting in any case?
.243
.25-06
.270
7x57
.308
.303
.30-06
300 Win
8x68S
.338
.375
.416 Rigby
Adoons I fixed it for you its only a pleasure
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04-02-2021, 09:36 #27
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Re: 6.8 Western cartridge
Now that all the shots have been fired, time to reflect on what I believe this cartridge can do for the normal hunter, and by that I mean people that hunt animals not long range sniping.
You’ll probably be able to shoot a 150gr Barnes TSX at 3100 ft/s, you’ll be able to shoot a 160gr Nosler partition at 3000ft/s, and you’ll be able to shoot a 180gr Woodleigh at 2800ft/s.
Yes, those are all existing 270 bullets.
And even opinionated PH guys would be comfortable with those combo’s on larger animals.
That is more than enough for any antelope, all heavily constructed bullets, not some newfangled BC long range sniping bullets.
Essentially it won’t replace any of the 30 cal cartridges, but it will offer a lot for the person wanting something else, and man, those Browning X-bolt rifles are beauts.
The x-bolt mountain for example comes in at 6 lbs, every bit a hunting rifle.
Will we see them, dunno, would every sane person want one, yes.
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04-02-2021, 10:10 #28
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04-02-2021, 10:54 #29
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Re: 6.8 Western cartridge
I have been scratching on an American forum and the array of calibres used for hunting is just astounding. I did not even know of a 300 Lapua Mag as I have never been asked to do some QL calcs with it. There are so many 6,5's mentioned (the Creed is in the minority) and I am not even sure what they are. Speed is being seriously chased and I wonder how many are not shot at proofing pressures.
If a barrel does not shoot 0,5 MOA then the owner just casually mentions that it will be replaced. I believe that it costs about $450 to do that, excluding barrel price. Just imagine paying R1000 for barrel replacement.
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04-02-2021, 15:59 #30
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