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Thread: Teach me about shotguns please
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14-04-2021, 16:18 #21
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14-04-2021, 16:23 #22
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Re: Teach me about shotguns please
If your slow on target on trap then Full choke is needed. If you shoot +35m. if your able to be quicker and get down to 20m distance to break. Which most novice to medium trap shooters cant get. You can go wider open on chokes. On skeet targets are very near to you. So full open and Skeet chokes recommended with nr 9.
With trap you need to see front sight and little rib as you want to shoot higher then level so you can see clay above the barrel and shoot it, here you need your head higher on stock as you want to shoot 25/75 at 16 yards. In skeet you need to see no rib at all. As you want to shoot more 50/50 spread and in front as you will be aiming in line with clay in air and not below. Unless a person is not aiming for +20/25 clay scores.
Also if a person stays around 10 to 15 out of 25 you easily give up clay shooting as you cant figure it out.
A good view on choke selection. They also have good view on gun fit.
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14-04-2021, 21:00 #23
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Re: Teach me about shotguns please
I agree 100% with Springer on this. Get started somewhere does not have to be the best or most specialised in any discipline. more important get out there and shoot, clays, birds it does not matter as long as you get into it.
I started with a single barrel Astra, joined my local club, got involved with pigeons and clays. my single barrel worked well enough for me to start enjoying the sport. Not one bloke with the bunch I shoot with will tell you your gun is only suitable for skeet, trap or whatever. They only care that you enjoy the sport. We shoot every weekend and enjoy it with so called cheapies to the more expensive stuff. Bottom line is did you enjoy it? if the blokes that you shoot with aren’t a bunch of snobs they might even let you use their shotties for a session so that you can make your own decision about the feel of a shotgun and if you enjoy shooting it.
I now shoot pigeons every weekend especially during the sunflower season, and sometimes when I am in the mood and time allows during the week as well. I have since moved on to a OU Franchi Feeling and I compete very well in all disciplines even though I am a lefty with a supposedly right hand shotgun. From clays to pigeons to gamebird.
Bottom line for me is if you want to save for the best with all the bells and whistles and what is supposed to be a specialised shotgun you might end up never getting anywhere and not owning a shotgun and not having the fun that goes along with it.
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14-04-2021, 21:04 #24
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Re: Teach me about shotguns please
If Marius had the budget for a Beretta/Browning/Miroku/Winchester I would be the 1st to agree that it would be the best choiceq, but at this stage he does not, but chances are that down the road he will.
If we now convince him that wingshooting and clay target shooting is too rich for his blood, he may just decide to take up fly fishing and one day when the funds are available he may just opt for a custom made split cane rod and a trip into the New Zealand mountains hunting giant browns.
I can also introduce you to a multitude of clay shooters that would not have been, if they had to wait until they could afford the best shotgun.
I stand by my advice to buy the best that your budget will allow and get shooting. Also don't forget about used guns.
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14-04-2021, 21:06 #25
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Re: Teach me about shotguns please
OP (Marius) you asked for an education in Shotgunning. I will reduce it to simple terms.
a) You'll need time in the saddle towards shotgunning: join a club and save via the club.
b) shotguns are not rifles. There is no rds or scope to help. Or bench / rest. You need to pick up the target, and fire once - maybe twice - on the target, from a standing position. Shotgunning is for good reason an Olympic discipline.
c) a 5k / 2nd hand baikal allows you to initiate some ammo, but a) THIS DOES NOT MEAN THE GUN FITS YOU, and b) it is improbable the gun is a good mate to you.
d) it takes a year to license a firearm.
e) whatever you spend on the gun, will be your yearly spend on ammo.
f) a good shotgunner needs TIME IN THE SADDLE to improve.
g) a 5k baikal requiring a 3k fix, will never be repaired. A 25k beretta requiring a 5k fix, will.
h) nough said.
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14-04-2021, 21:49 #26
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Re: Teach me about shotguns please
Allow me to add:
a) OP is not someone who seems to be convinced of shotgunning. He's allreay asking questions towards the privilege.
b) he's asking towards a real picture, not an entry level "shoot out of a box" story,
c) he's asking what a professional forum thinks long term, not whether buying an entry level shotgun / baikal is good sense,
d he's asking what he'll be looking at in 5 years from now. Not 6 (odd) months,
and that's the right questions for this forum!
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16-04-2021, 07:17 #27
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Re: Teach me about shotguns please
AJR, maybe I'm not as good at reading between the lines, so I'll just copy the original post below, just to keep my answer to point.
Marius, your financial situation will change, but the longer you save for your first shotgun, the longer it will be before you can start really making use of the wingshooting opportunities that you already have. A responsible wingshooter owes it to their quarry to become competent enough to ensure a high probability of a clean quick kill, which is why I started clay shooting, not for the competition aspect off it.
A SbS may be a little light for high volume dove and pigeon shooting, but most ethical wingshooters quickly pass through the fase where they constantly need to shoot out cases of ammo and kill hundreds of birds in a day, and in any case at the current price of ammo, that type of shooting is going to cost you an arm and a leg in any case.
Look at second hand quality guns for sure, there are still many of the S series Beretta's that Musgrave parted into SA during the arms embargo, available and most has not fired more than 10 000 shots, which means you still have 80% plus of life left in the gun.
Multi-choke is definitely a plus, but not the end of the world, if you end up getting a old Trap gun or SbS choke Modified and Full, wait a little longer before you shoot a walked up bird or shoot that incoming Rocky slightly earlier.
My advice on Turkish guns are easy, do not pass them over, but make sure you buy one that is well supported in SA, and that disqualifies the CZ Mallard. Incidentally the current SA woman's Skeet champion shoots a Turkish gun.
Finally to AJR, if I had followed you advice when I was thinking of getting into wingshooting, I would not have and I would have missed out on some of the best friends that I met wingshooting, four and two legged, many hundreds of great shooting adventures, some international travel, a medal or two, provincial colors and a dream of trying for National colors, when funds have been replenished again...
Marius my advice still remains the same, buy the best gun that your budget allows, get that application in and start shooting, you'll get financially secure in time and then you can upgrade.
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17-04-2021, 20:52 #28
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Re: Teach me about shotguns please
Thanks for all the replies. I'm still looking and thinking at what to get. I'll definitely consider all the aspects raised here when making a decision.
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17-04-2021, 21:48 #29
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Re: Teach me about shotguns please
if you just asked two weeks earlier!
27/03/2021
12ga Winchester "Pigeon Grade" O/U Shotgun - Cased In leatherette take-down case. Ribbed multi-choked barrels of 28". Wrap-around chequering to grip and fore-end, solid red recoil pad to butt of well-figured walnut. Single selective trigger, ejector action. Good bore. Very good condition.
R 8870.00
https://i.imgur.com/sa9xtnN.jpg
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