AMMO Shortage

**treeman** · 27-07-2021, 07:40

[QUOTE=mic;1424133]If the ammo was stored correctly, they should be GTG.

Personally I would not use PMP ammo for SD unless you really have to. There are better hollow point ammo available. I can guarantee you that those .38Spl 158 grain flat point PMP ammo was loaded quite HOT.[/QUOTE]
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Yes - hotter than my .38 spl average load from the book. Loaded some for the .357 just to play and even a heavy SOMCHEM book load was rather mild in the 357.The bought stuff had a different crack kick indeed.

**Welshman** · 27-07-2021, 07:54

[QUOTE=treeman;1424070]

Originally Posted by Welshman

On an interesting note, I managed to find some old stock PMP .38Spl SJSP & SJHP for R420 / Box of 50

I could see the boxes were very old & simillar to the type I used to buy 30 years ago.
When I peeled off the price (See photo) it looks like this stock was sitting in their safe for 28 years & possibly manufactured before then. (incredible)
Cartridges looked okay though, so I grabbed two boxs.

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Those are hand in's, a lot of gun shops get ammo handed in by people for many reasons, mostly that it was found some time after a deceased estate occurred. Also people seem to sell guns to gun shops with stock piles of ammo they had which is then priced and sold.

Sounds like a a good explination how something this old ended up in the shops ammo safe.

**Welshman** · 27-07-2021, 08:19

[QUOTE=treeman;1424155]

Originally Posted by mic

If the ammo was stored correctly, they should be GTG.

Personally I would not use PMP ammo for SD unless you really have to. There are better hollow point ammo available. I can guarantee you that those .38Spl 158 grain flat point PMP ammo was loaded quite HOT.[/QUOTE]
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Yes - hotter than my .38 spl average load from the book. Loaded some for the .357 just to play and even a heavy SOMCHEM book load was rather mild in the 357.The bought stuff had a different crack kick indeed.

I'll fire off a box this weekend at the range & let you know how it goes.
Rest assured that I never intended to use ammo of this type or age for SD, just for some range time.

If I feel it's firing to hot, or get any tight chamber extractions, I'll stop.
However I can recall using this stuff 25 years ago in my Taurus Model 85 2" Snubby without any problems. (perhaps my memory has faded after that much time)

Athough I primarily go with .40S&W for SD, my newer mod 85 .38Spl is a very comfortabel to wear secondary option.
Loaded with 110Gr Winchester Silvertips (Non +P) I feel it will get the job done if it ever had to.
Apart from that, I just love shooting it.

Please dont forget to let us know if you see any .38Spl or .40S&W start to become available around Gauteng.
Thanks for all the interest in the old ammo I found & would welcome any further comments before i fire it on Saturday.

**Grant9** · 27-07-2021, 08:20

[QUOTE=Welshman;1424166]

Originally Posted by treeman

I'll fire off a box this weekend at the range & let you know how it goes.Rest assured that I never intended to use ammo of this type or age for SD, just for some range time.If I feel it's firing to hot, or get any tight chamber extractions, I'll stop.However I can recall using this stuff 25 years ago in my Taurus Model 85 2" Snubby without any problems. (however maybe my memory has faded after that much time)Athough I primarily go with .40S&W for SD, my newer mod 85 .38Spl is a very comfortabel to wear secondary option. Loaded with 110Gr Winchester Silvertips (Non +P) I feel it will get the job done if it ever had to.Apart from that, I just love shooring it.Please dont forget to let us know if you see any .38Spl or .40S&W start to become available around Gauteng.Thanks for all the interest in the old ammo I found & would welcome any further comments before i fire it on Saturday.

Bellum arcus has some 40 in stock last time i was there

**Welshman** · 27-07-2021, 08:41

[QUOTE=Grant9;1424168]

Originally Posted by Welshman

Bellum arcus has some 40 in stock last time i was there

I see on their website it's Winchester 165Gr FMJ 100 Rounds "value" box for R 1110.00
A bit pricy, but I'll give them a call later to confirm availability.

Thanks

**SoldierMan** · 27-07-2021, 11:39

[QUOTE=Welshman;1424166]

Originally Posted by treeman

I'll fire off a box this weekend at the range & let you know how it goes.
Rest assured that I never intended to use ammo of this type or age for SD, just for some range time.

If I feel it's firing to hot, or get any tight chamber extractions, I'll stop.
However I can recall using this stuff 25 years ago in my Taurus Model 85 2" Snubby without any problems. (perhaps my memory has faded after that much time)

Athough I primarily go with .40S&W for SD, my newer mod 85 .38Spl is a very comfortabel to wear secondary option.
Loaded with 110Gr Winchester Silvertips (Non +P) I feel it will get the job done if it ever had to.
Apart from that, I just love shooting it.

Please dont forget to let us know if you see any .38Spl or .40S&W start to become available around Gauteng.
Thanks for all the interest in the old ammo I found & would welcome any further comments before i fire it on Saturday.

Can confirm the same, used the same or similar boxed ammo in my dad's snubby many moons ago, never had an issue.

**Welshman** · 27-07-2021, 11:42

[QUOTE=Welshman;1424175]

Originally Posted by Grant9

I see on their website it's Winchester 165Gr FMJ 100 Rounds "value" box for R 1110.00
A bit pricy, but I'll give them a call later to confirm availability.

Thanks

Yep they have quite a few box's of this in both 165Gr & 180Gr (not a big mover because of its cost)

**Welshman** · 27-07-2021, 14:15

Originally Posted by Mark357

Places have gotten 9mm again, but 38SPL is all gone for now it seems
The Magtech shipment that was stolen was supposed to resupply a lot of shops with 38SPL, 357Mag, 44 Mag and 40S&W

Camdix in Krugersdorp had some 40S&W S&B late last week

Apologies, only saw your post now :

Camdex still have the following after I left there today :

S&B .40S&W FMJ 180Gr / 50 - R445
Nobeltech .40S&W FMJ 180Gr Factory Reloads/ 50 - R360
Nobeltech .38Spl CMJ 158Gr Factory Reloads / 50 - R340

Many thanks

**Brennen** · 28-07-2021, 12:53

Originally Posted by Welshman

With all the ammo flying off the sheves a few weeks back, there is a huge shortage of handgun ammo practicaly everywhere at the moment.
Not sure what shipments are coming in apart from the Magtech container that was stolen.

I'm in particlar after .40S&W and .38Spl "Range Ammo" & would appreciate anyone letting me know where i could grab a few boxes of S&B or something similar in Gauteng or driveable radius thereof.

On an interesting note, I managed to find some old stock PMP .38Spl SJSP & SJHP for R420 / Box of 50

I could see the boxes were very old & simillar to the type I used to buy 30 years ago.
When I peeled off the price (See photo) it looks like this stock was sitting in their safe for 28 years & possibly manufactured before then. (incredible)
Cartridges looked okay though, so I grabbed two boxs.

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Got this box of 50 for free, & I wasted no time freeing them freedom seeds after a long stint being locked up. I do not know how old they were, but they worked just fine.
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**Welshman** · 28-07-2021, 14:57

Free is always a good price ...

Can I ask if you noticed these rounds to be any hotter in comparrison to something like a box of today's S&B SJSP, as suspected by a few of the gents earlier in this thread. I will be firing from a 2" snub on Saturday, not sure what you used.

I would imagine differences in this ammo comparrion would be less notible from a 6" .357 for instance.