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31-07-2021, 18:23 #1
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Firearms stolen from or lost by licensed owners
Hey guys, I need some help again. Anyone got figures for firearms stolen from or lost by licensed owners. I'm trying to cobble together a rebuttal.
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31-07-2021, 19:45 #2
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Re: Firearms stolen from or lost by licensed owners
Other than from SAPS I'm not sure where one could get this. Would a promotion of access to information request be the solution?
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31-07-2021, 19:52 #3
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Re: Firearms stolen from or lost by licensed owners
How do you separate state owned weapons from municipalities, sanparks,etc that get lumped into "civilian" losses?
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31-07-2021, 22:28 #4
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Re: Firearms stolen from or lost by licensed owners
I think what is really revelant is the number of firearm owners prosecuted and declared incompetent for negligent loss of firearms. Firearms lost due to theft and robbery where the owners were not negligent should not be used as justification for gun control legislation.
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31-07-2021, 22:32 #5
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01-08-2021, 08:35 #6
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Re: Firearms stolen from or lost by licensed owners
There are some figures in the latest SAPS annual report here: https://www.saps.gov.za/about/stratf..._2019-2020.pdf
The figures are scattered around but there is a summary in the first three paragraphs of page 135. They don't split out the number of private firearms though, only SAPS and non-SAPS.
The Wits report has a detailed study of lost and stolen firearms from 2000/2001 to 2013/2014 on page 141 broken down by type of owner: http://www.policesecretariat.gov.za/...rms_Report.pdf
The Wits report shows that something like 96% of individually owned firearms were reported as stolen rather than lost.
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01-08-2021, 12:21 #7
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Re: Firearms stolen from or lost by licensed owners
Then there's also the issue of recovery rates of stolen firearms from civilians vs those of the state.
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03-08-2021, 01:20 #8
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Re: Firearms stolen from or lost by licensed owners
but Bheki Cele says that crime stats are propaganda.
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03-08-2021, 10:15 #9
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Re: Firearms stolen from or lost by licensed owners
Forgot about the Wits report. When it landed I raced trough it chuckling like a halfwit. There wasn't much in it that didn't rubbish Cele and co's BS stories.
The 'losing' a firearm thing has always fascinated me. Some of the stories behind the losses would make for interesting reading.
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03-08-2021, 11:42 #10
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Re: Firearms stolen from or lost by licensed owners
Like the possible future ones like where I repeatedly went for a run on that bridge over the Vaal and my guns just kept on popping out and falling into the river.
Or are you referring to the police station getting robbed ones where nobody gets shot or injured and the weapons just disappear?
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