Phoenix aftermath

**Yearnslow** · 08-08-2021, 21:05

https://www.dailymaverick.co.za/arti...ed-in-phoenix/

I get the impression that the goalposts are being moved as to who is to blame here.
I'm sure there were over zealous reactions to the looting, especially from shop/store owners, which should be dealt with in the correct manner,
But the general tone seems to be about blaming everyone else except the looters...... Am I wrong?

**FFourie** · 08-08-2021, 21:18

Not at all. Because the Phoenix guys were successful in preventing looting, the narrative now is that they acted without justification.

Fits nicely with twat Cele's disarmament plans.

**Karoobow** · 09-08-2021, 08:18

Originally Posted by Yearnslow

https://www.dailymaverick.co.za/arti...ed-in-phoenix/

I get the impression that the goalposts are being moved as to who is to blame here.
I'm sure there were over zealous reactions to the looting, especially from shop/store owners, which should be dealt with in the correct manner,
But the general tone seems to be about blaming everyone else except the looters...... Am I wrong?

You are spot on....look at what the mayor also said, people should stop blocking entrances to neighbour hoods because its racist (builds racial tensions)...so if you don't allow someone to loot your home you are racist....

You should go home because they "wanted" homes to be looted??

The people and churches etc etc ....asked that looters be forgiven and not prosecuted????

The list goes on...

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**PeaceOfficer** · 09-08-2021, 09:23

Yeah it seems the tide is quickly turning and now the folks once seen as heroes for protecting their communities are now being vilified and turned into scapegoats to deflect attention away from the fact that the police and government as a whole failed at their responsibility to protect the citizens of SA.

Is it possible that some miscreants amongst the communities might have used the opportunity to commit crime? Sure. But had the looting not been allowed to happen, would this opportunity have existed in the first place?

It's just too easy to fall back to racism. The people of SA really need to get smarter. Oh wait, the government has systematically destroyed the education system so there goes that idea.

**Sean KZN** · 09-08-2021, 16:40

Originally Posted by PeaceOfficer

Yeah it seems the tide is quickly turning and now the folks once seen as heroes for protecting their communities are now being vilified and turned into scapegoats to deflect attention away from the fact that the police and government as a whole failed at their responsibility to protect the citizens of SA.

Is it possible that some miscreants amongst the communities might have used the opportunity to commit crime? Sure. But had the looting not been allowed to happen, would this opportunity have existed in the first place?

It's just too easy to fall back to racism. The people of SA really need to get smarter. Oh wait, the government has systematically destroyed the education system so there goes that idea.

Is it possible that some miscreants amongst the communities might have used the opportunity to commit crime? Sure. But had the looting not been allowed to happen, would this opportunity have existed in the first place?

There lies the nub of the deal. NO looting, no shooting.

Any way cele has been big in the news there sprouting his drivel
Lamontville was a frosty reception, sort of poured cold water on his party. Not much about it in the news, doesn't fit the theme.

**Wezza** · 09-08-2021, 17:43

Phoenix killings: Bheki Cele says the number of people arrested now stands at 31

Police Minister Bheki Cele said 31 people had been arrested in connection with the killings in Phoenix, KwaZulu-Natal.
On Sunday, Cele visited the Lamontville community, in Durban, following the shooting of a 33-year-old woman last week.

She was allegedly shot by police during an operation to retrieve looted goods in the area two weeks ago. The Independent Police Investigative Directorate (IPID) is probing the death.
Cele met with the community after the woman's death sparked outrage. He said her death was unfortunate.

"But police are not going to stop [raids] - because police raids occur when there is information. The information we received was that there were stolen food, stolen appliances and a portion of stolen live ammunition. There is no way police could not investigate this. It is unfortunate it was met with so much resistance."

He said he understood the community's frustrations.

"IPID is investigating the matter. The issue IPID is having is that the community is not coming forward with any information and I appealed to the community to make a statement or whatever information they have.
"We must find out what happened. We understand there was an exchange of fire and, for us to know what happened, an investigation must take place," he said.

Cele said the police were making progress regarding the investigation into the killings in Phoenix.
"There are 31 arrests... there were initially 22, but we expect this number to grow. They have appeared in court already," he said.

Cele said the 33-member detective team was working with a team of prosecutors to ensure justice for the lives lost in Phoenix.
Phoenix has been plagued by racial tension in the aftermath of the week-long riots and looting that left shops, trucks and warehouses decimated in some parts of KwaZulu-Natal and Gauteng.

As violence moved closer to their homes, some residents established protection groups, along with private security companies, denying access to anyone based outside their areas.
At least 20 people were killed, many injured, and vehicles torched in the Durban North suburb of Phoenix.

**Gleock** · 09-08-2021, 17:49

Originally Posted by Karoobow

You are spot on....look at what the mayor also said, people should stop blocking entrances to neighbour hoods because its racist (builds racial tensions)...so if you don't allow someone to loot your home you are racist....

You should go home because they "wanted" homes to be looted??

The people and churches etc etc ....asked that looters be forgiven and not prosecuted????

The list goes on...

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The mayor isn't wrong.
What was acceptable at the height of the looting is not acceptable now, and that is what is forgotten by some of the neighborhood watches.

This country is a powder keg as far as race relations are concerned.
People think with their emotions, not logic.
This is why it is unacceptable to perceive a specific race as looters, but perfectly acceptable for dirty people to be called Parras and be beaten by taxi drivers, "racist whites" to be an acceptable term, etc...

**GAZZAMCK** · 10-08-2021, 08:26

For all the revolutionaries on social media, they sure don't accept the fact that death is a real part of that.

Not justifying any criminal acts that took place, but also not defending those that were lootjng and stealing.

24 years to build this business, next time if we are targeted shall we stand back and watch?

**GAZZAMCK** · 10-08-2021, 08:30

Originally Posted by Gleock

The mayor isn't wrong.
What was acceptable at the height of the looting is not acceptable now, and that is what is forgotten by some of the neighborhood watches.

This country is a powder keg as far as race relations are concerned.
People think with their emotions, not logic.
This is why it is unacceptable to perceive a specific race as looters, but perfectly acceptable for dirty people to be called Parras and be beaten by taxi drivers, "racist whites" to be an acceptable term, etc...

Ironic how the mayors twitter handle a few days before the looting was "we are zuma and zuma is us"

Both him and Sihle Zikakala suddenly changed their tones when the damage was done