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20-02-2022, 16:08 #21
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Re: Ukraine: roots and consequences of the crisis
Does anyone have reliable information on the real strength and capabilities of the Russian military machine, I'd be curious to know if they have the capability to do a full scale invasion or maybe just able to nibble a bit more at the currently occupied territories.
The Nato head honcho said just look at the satellite images if there is any doubt, everyone can see. Not verbatim but close enough.
I don't have any links to any satellites so wouldn't know where to start.
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20-02-2022, 18:14 #22
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20-02-2022, 21:48 #23
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Re: Ukraine: roots and consequences of the crisis
Using nuclear bombs / misiles etc on any piece of the globe you might need as a resource (or want to visit and not start glowing in the dark) at some future date is the same as shitting on pizza so the other guy will leave it for you to eat all by yourself.
Sure I can understand nuking some place far away if you really dont like the people there and NEVER want to go there or dont want other people to go there EVER. But poisoning a pretty large area and making it a no go zone for a fuck-load of time for yourself or anyone else makes no sense to me.
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20-02-2022, 22:16 #24
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Re: Ukraine: roots and consequences of the crisis
They won't nuke any country in Europe. They will just threaten Uncle Sam with it. And if Uncle Sam wont intervene, no one else will.
Basically, cold war style threats. That's why the US doesn't pick fights with China, Russia, and NK. Because , you are right, its not a smart move to nuke randomly.
But can you trust one of those countries to not pull a dumb move, just out of spite?
That's why the US bombs countries they don't like that start 'nuclear research'. To prevent them getting one up.
I am not sure how capable Russia's military is compared to the US, but the nuclear weapons is a massive deterrent.
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21-02-2022, 09:48 #25
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Re: Ukraine: roots and consequences of the crisis
So if WW3 kicks off, will Russia and China get Durbans port functional again?
Surely being a BRICS member we are on the "other side" here
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21-02-2022, 10:26 #26
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21-02-2022, 10:29 #27
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Re: Ukraine: roots and consequences of the crisis
Last edited by oafpatroll; 21-02-2022 at 10:30. Reason: Correction for clarity
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21-02-2022, 13:37 #28
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Re: Ukraine
Some interesting and plausible theories have been offered in this thread. According to the US the military build up continues and this morning it was reported that Russia has 75% of its army on the Ukraine border. As others have suggested, perhaps the intention is not to invade, and one TV commentator (I forget which, there are so many) that the intention is to subject Ukraine to continuous threat, psychological warfare I suppose, until it gives Russia what it wants. It is reported that it has already adversely affected Ukraine's GDP and will undoubtedly reduce foreign investment if it continues.
But I am still of the view that a credible porcupine style defense posture would be a good idea. Of course, Ukraine doesn't enjoy Switzerland's mountain defense barrier, but a credible defense is a lot better than none or too little. It was reported somewhere that the Ukraine government has called upon it's citizens to be prepared to defend, but I think we can all see the obvious difficulty of untrained and unfit people defending against the Russian army. On the other hand a civilian militia that enjoys massive numerical superiority could be a tough nut to crack. But to make that credible would take a lot of weapons and training to be supplied from outside. At the bottom end it would need a lot of small arms including a big percentage of sniping rifles also including 50cal and enough training to provide a lot of people with enough competence to use them if only to a modest standard. Would also need a lot of stingers and anti-tank missiles and the training to use them. But hey, these are just thoughts - I don't expect anything of the sort to be done. But if it isn't, calling on civilians to defend is a bit silly. It just strikes me as ridiculous not to prepare a credible defense when it can be done as far as I can judge.
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21-02-2022, 13:51 #29
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21-02-2022, 15:04 #30
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Re: Ukraine
Well the West during the collapse of the Berlin wall promised Russia not to move Western bases or interests closer to Russia.
But the West just went on and did it.
When Russia moved rockets to Cuba the USA nearly freaked out and the Cuban missile crisis started.
Now if Ukraine joins Nato. The West especially USA will open military basis in Ukraine as they do with all European countries.
This means the USA will have a military foothold on Russian Doorsteps. Same as Cuban crisis just other way around now. This after a promise was made when the wall came down.
So in fact Putin/Russia is actually right to put down their foot to say No way is the west especially USA putting basis up in Ukraine on our border.
Actually Russia has done nothing wrong so far. Its merely put soldiers by its own border protecting it. It has not crossed it yet. And Russia has said not planning to. Maybe they lying.
But then USA is the country claiming attack imminent. The same USA who swore there was weapons of mass destruction in Iraq and got all the allies to attack. And then it was found there was nothing. And all acted on false information.
USA makes millions and billions out of wars. So far to me it looks more like USA trying to cry wolf again and start a war.
USA who cant protect its own Southern Border who is now upset about a Russian Ukraine Border on another continent.
If Russia were to take Ukraine. There is rumours that China will follow and take Taiwan back.
At moment Russia and China is the world leaders. Under Biden USA is like a 3rd world country. Scaring no one.
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