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    Default Re: Vektor H5 223 vs 5.56

    It would have been risky to make the H5 potentially unsafe with 556 given that it was sold extensively in SA which was awash with the stuff. I suspect that they have 556 chambers and that the 223 marking is to make it feel more 'civilian' especially for the export market. That's 100% conjecture on my part and I have nothing to back it up with.

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    Default Re: Vektor H5 223 vs 5.56

    Quote Originally Posted by oafpatroll View Post
    It would have been risky to make the H5 potentially unsafe with 556 given that it was sold extensively in SA which was awash with the stuff. I suspect that they have 556 chambers and that the 223 marking is to make it feel more 'civilian' especially for the export market. That's 100% conjecture on my part and I have nothing to back it up with.
    For interest sake... When I applied to license the H5, the application was given back because the existing caliber in the CFR register was 5.56. I had to submit a gunsmiths report to confirm the caliber as .223, as it was apparently the preferred caliber for the H5. The caliber now states .223 REM (5.56 x 45) on my license card. Just to add more to the confusion.

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    Default Re: Vektor H5 223 vs 5.56

    Quote Originally Posted by H5piet View Post
    For interest sake... When I applied to license the H5, the application was given back because the existing caliber in the CFR register was 5.56. I had to submit a gunsmiths report to confirm the caliber as .223, as it was apparently the preferred caliber for the H5. The caliber now states .223 REM (5.56 x 45) on my license card. Just to add more to the confusion.
    Which is why it is a good idea to fill in the caliber block on the 271 as "5.56 x 45 / .223 Rem" regardless of what is stamped on the gun or printed on the previous licence card or 350...
    My licence card for my AR states the calibre as "223 REM RIF (5.56x45)"

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    Default Re: Vektor H5 223 vs 5.56

    I doubt any dealer in SA will refuse to sell you ammunition marked 5.56 when your license says 223. And the other way around.

    As example. You do not get 223 Dies and 5.56 Dies. Its exactly the same dies.

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    Default Re: Vektor H5 223 vs 5.56

    Sorry for the slight derail.

    Are the saigas 223 or 556?

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    Default Re: Vektor H5 223 vs 5.56

    Quote Originally Posted by KM02 View Post
    Sorry for the slight derail.

    Are the saigas 223 or 556?
    Even if it is stamped / engraved " REAL 223" what are the chances that a Russian arms manufacturer is going to go to the trouble of cutting a chamber EXACTLY to .223 Like in a .223 hunting / varmint rifle) at the risk of excluding the firing of 5.46 Mil spec or NATO spec ammo?

    You will not know for sure until you actually measure the chamber and leade. My guess is its going to work with any 5.56 or .223 ammo that fits in the mag.

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    Default Re: Vektor H5 223 vs 5.56

    Quote Originally Posted by M43 View Post
    Even if it is stamped / engraved " REAL 223" what are the chances that a Russian arms manufacturer is going to go to the trouble of cutting a chamber EXACTLY to .223 Like in a .223 hunting / varmint rifle) at the risk of excluding the firing of 5.46 Mil spec or NATO spec ammo?

    You will not know for sure until you actually measure the chamber and leade. My guess is its going to work with any 5.56 or .223 ammo that fits in the mag.
    That fits with my uneducated opinion. There isn't an upside that I can think of to the manufacturer of a rifle like that making it to 'tight' .223 spec and a substantial possible downside.

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    Default Re: Vektor H5 223 vs 5.56

    I think the easiest way to check if it is 5,56 compatible is to check the twist rate.
    A 1:10" or 1:12" barrel should be chambered for normal 223.
    A 1:7" to 1:9" should have the longer leade and be perfectly compatible with modern 5,56 NATO ammo.

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    Default Re: Vektor H5 223 vs 5.56

    Had a chat today with a giy who has a h5. He mentioned that once upon a time the gun had an issue, basically whenever he pumped it it would fire without him pulling the trigger. Apparently he took it back to the dealer from where he purchased the brand new gun and the dealer said that he should use 223 and not 556. Since then he's been using 223 only without any issues.

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