Help required with requirements of firearm storage at business premises

[killzone]

Good dayPlease excuse me if I'm using the incorrect terminology or incorrect, descriptive terms.A manager from an institution asked me for advice, which I could not answer him.Situation :Institution is a gun-free zone. They want to install several safes for storage of firearms at the security gate, so that visitors can enter the premises.According to my knowledge. The B1-type safes will have yo be SAPS and SABS approved. There must be a registry. A safe-zone and competent security guards/personnel.I would appreciate any advice or referral to the act. Especially with regards to the Safe-zone.Thanks in advanceKz

[killzone]

Eish. Apologies. There were paragraphs before I edited... 😉

[Branden88]

Greetings, Killzone.

A good example, to look at, would be a Casino's "Gun Drop" procedure.

Briefly explained, a customer arrives, enters the Gun Drop cubicle, tells the S/O wants to book his FA in, the S/O takes his F/A license, records the details in the F/A register, hands him a copy and the original stays in the book.

The customer unloads and makes his F/A safe, gets handed a bag to place the F/A and magazine/s inside, and zips it closed.

The S/O then takes the bag and places it inside a safe, which has two (2) key access.
The S/O hands over one of the key's to the customer and the other is retained by the Gun Drop office.

On collection, you produce the copy of the F/A register and your key, the S/O verifies, etc. opens the safe and hands you the zipped up bag, through the "transaction" window with the drawer.

The customer then removes his F/A and magazine/s from the bag, hands the empty bag back, chambers his F/A if he wishes to do so, holster it and off you go. (There is usually a bullet trap inside that cubicle, behind the customer)

Note, as for the safe, it is not a B1-type safe, it's just a small metal "canister" with two locks installed, as this is a temporary storage.

They (casino) have the same setup for the employees at the staff entrance, but it's more of a "self-help" service.

PS: I will see if I can get you some "procedure" document regarding this.

[killzone]

Thank you very much B! 👌👌

[Fire-stick]

A big of a red flag on the casino storage...

The issue with the Casino's gun drop point is that it is legally not compliant to store FA's with regards to safe specifications.
The protocol they are following is acceptable to the point that it leaves your possession and enters the "safe".

Extracted from Branden 88 above.
"Note, as for the safe, it is not a B1-type safe, it's just a small metal "canister" with two locks installed, as this is a temporary storage."

The safe isn't then compliant with the SAPS minimum specifications for the safe's construction.

Even if it is a temporary storage facility, the safe in which the FA is locked up in to store must still be according to specifications.

[killzone]

I won't be comfortable leaving my firearm in a glorified postbox...

My friend wants to confirm to all the requirements and laws. No short-cuts. Thanks so far guys.

[Branden88]

I won't be comfortable leaving my firearm in a glorified postbox...

My friend wants to confirm to all the requirements and laws. No short-cuts. Thanks so far guys.

https://natshoot.co.za/firearm-licen...earm-and-safes

Regulation 86 (12).

(12) A lock-away safe, apparatus, device, and instrument for safe custody of a firearm or ammunition, must to the satisfaction of the Registrar comply with the following requirements.

(a) be manufactured from steel of at least 2 mm thick;

(b) be capable of enclosing or covering the firearm concerned wholly

(c) have an effective integral locking mechanism;

(d) have a hinge mechanism for the cover or lid thereof, which shall ensure that when the locking pin thereof is removed, the cover or lid shall not be capable of being opened or removed;

(e) have a facility with the aid or use of which the lock-away safe, apparatus, device or instrument may be securely affixed to another structure such as a wall or a floor, or the body of a vehicle; and

(f) in the case of a lock-away safe used as contemplated in subregulation (5) if such safe can only be locked

Subregulation 86 (5):

(5) In the case of any premises where firearm control is exercised by the occupier of the premises, the holder of a licence, authority or permit issued in terms of the Act, may hand a firearm and ammunition that is in the possession of the said holder when entering the premises, to a person designated thereto by the said occupier, who must hold an authorisation issued in terms of section 21 of the Act, to store the firearm and ammunition on behalf of the holder of the licence, authority or permit for such period as is necessary under the circumstances in a safe or strongroom that complies with the standards set out in SABS Standard 953-1 or 953-2 or a prescribed lock-away safe that can only be opened by the designated person and the holder of the licence jointly and which is installed on the premises.



If you read point (a), (e) and Sub86 (5) it does meet the requirements of the law,
*2mm thick.
*lock-away safe, apparatus, device or instrument.
* affixed to a structure (wall)
*and / or a prescribed lock-away safe that can only be opened by the designated person and the holder of the licence jointly and which is installed on the premises.

PS: Casino's do everything "by the book", they will not "break" the law.
PSS: If I still worked there I would have taken a few pictures for you. Unfortunately, now I cannot, maybe visit a casino and "experience" the process for yourself ;)

[killzone]

Thanks for all the effort

[Branden88]

Thanks for all the effort

I've sent you a DM.

[killzone]

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