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    Quote Originally Posted by Rigby View Post
    something I have learned, speed and big bullets are not fun to shoot, my 458 Lott shoots a 450g and is actually tame for a Lott .
    I don’t wish to change the OP mind but the Lott is a great stopper with lots of accessories available, respectfully the issue of powder over heating was with older powders , modern powder has come a long way.
    My friend owns a .500NE that he loads for. As it is a double he needs to tinker a bit to get it to regulate well. His go-to load produces velocities of 2050FPS with a 570gr projectile for 5300 Ft/Lbs of muzzle energy or just about the same as a 500gr .458 bullet shot at 2200FPS which is relatively easy to get from the Lott (I know because I own a .458 Lott). I very much doubt either of the above combinations would be considered borderline or inadequate for any animal roaming earth.

    I agree with you on speed and big bullets. The "full bore" 500gr loads going 2200FPS in my rifle are pretty intense. I stop at between 4 and 5 rounds from shooting sticks. For range plinking I load 350gr bullets at about the same velocity and the difference in recoil is remarkable.

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    Good morning Gentlemen,

    I am most positively surprised about the very intensive feed back. Thank you to all of you!
    I cannot go into much detail at the moment, will answer in detail probably tonight.

    Until then, G.

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    Hello 458Exp,
    Thanks for your answer.
    The reasons as you outline them I was roughly familiar with. I had read another old fred here, wher someone referrred to a lengthy explanation by Prof Badenhorst himself. I thought maybe someone still has this document.
    I did not realize, that the brass has become a problem. I am not an experienced reloader, so this might be a bit of a hindrance for me.
    I do not think though, that "short stroking" would be a problem for me, since I am used to the .416 Rigby.
    I will keep your advice in mind, thank you.

    Cheers, B.W.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nella View Post
    There is a cz 550 in 458 exspress available at Lekana gunshop polokwane.
    Thanks Nella, I will follow up on that lead.

    Groete, B:W:

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    Hello Big borers,

    Thanks again to @458Exp, @Rigby, @Tstone, @MyLani, @CorditeCrazy, @Nella, @Koebelwagen, ...

    Let me give some explanations about my background.

    I had bought a .416 Rigby on a Heym Safari Express in 1992 and had used this Rifle extensively mostly for buffalo but also the other of the big five, six or how many they are counting today. This Rifle was my every day working tool in areas where the animals occurred that requested it. For plains game hunts in South Africa I mostly used a ZKK 602 in .375 HH as back up.
    My reasoning for the .416 Rigby actually was, that Heym brought out their Express Rifle. I did not like the Ruger for it's barrel heavyness, I do not recall who else, but there were only few who offered ready made Rifles in .416 Rigby. I liked the looks of the cartridge, I liked the things "the old guys" said about it, I liked the big volume and low pressure, I liked that Federal offered factory cartridges. In those years the .416 Rigby was more practical than the .404 Jeffery.
    I had grown up as a hunter with bolt actions so I stuck with them. Later I got a nice little Chapuis double in 9,3 x 74 R which I used like the .375 and in very thick bush; not on buffalo though. For leopard it was very good.

    I have finished working as a hunter in the meantime, but the itch remains.

    The .458 Express struck me as a very South African Calibre and therefore as well as the reasons that seemed to have lead to it's development, I thought I might get one.

    But now I hear, that the shells are a problem.

    So the choice is difficult.
    Maybe I might lean towards the Lott after all.

    If you do not get bored, please give me some more input. I do not want the Weatherby and also not really the Rigby because of it's smaller magazine capacity in the ZKK 602. O have I overlooked something?

    Hungry for advice, B:W:

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    Quote Originally Posted by bwana wali View Post
    Hello Big borers,

    Thanks again to @458Exp, @Rigby, @Tstone, @MyLani, @CorditeCrazy, @Nella, @Koebelwagen, ...

    Let me give some explanations about my background.

    I had bought a .416 Rigby on a Heym Safari Express in 1992 and had used this Rifle extensively mostly for buffalo but also the other of the big five, six or how many they are counting today. This Rifle was my every day working tool in areas where the animals occurred that requested it. For plains game hunts in South Africa I mostly used a ZKK 602 in .375 HH as back up.
    My reasoning for the .416 Rigby actually was, that Heym brought out their Express Rifle. I did not like the Ruger for it's barrel heavyness, I do not recall who else, but there were only few who offered ready made Rifles in .416 Rigby. I liked the looks of the cartridge, I liked the things "the old guys" said about it, I liked the big volume and low pressure, I liked that Federal offered factory cartridges. In those years the .416 Rigby was more practical than the .404 Jeffery.
    I had grown up as a hunter with bolt actions so I stuck with them. Later I got a nice little Chapuis double in 9,3 x 74 R which I used like the .375 and in very thick bush; not on buffalo though. For leopard it was very good.

    I have finished working as a hunter in the meantime, but the itch remains.

    The .458 Express struck me as a very South African Calibre and therefore as well as the reasons that seemed to have lead to it's development, I thought I might get one.

    But now I hear, that the shells are a problem.

    So the choice is difficult.
    Maybe I might lean towards the Lott after all.

    If you do not get bored, please give me some more input. I do not want the Weatherby and also not really the Rigby because of it's smaller magazine capacity in the ZKK 602. O have I overlooked something?

    Hungry for advice, B:W:
    thanks for the detailed reply , i have considered changing my 458 LOTT into a 450 Rigby but in the end my question was why ?
    too which i had no answer and the 458 LOTT as most 458 calibers are specialist rifles for intended purposes , most often either back up or Elephant and Buff hunts and for me the LOTT can adequately perform .

    hence my question to why complicate it ?

    best of luck with your choice and decision.

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    Hello Rigby,

    Thanks again for your input.
    In my case it is a 90 % joy thing and maybe 10 % for some occasional hunts with old clients - where I never had reason to complain about the .416.
    So the "why" remains.

    Cheers, B.W.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bwana wali View Post
    Hello Rigby,

    Thanks again for your input.
    In my case it is a 90 % joy thing and maybe 10 % for some occasional hunts with old clients - where I never had reason to complain about the .416.
    So the "why" remains.

    Cheers, B.W.
    then I would switch to the 450 Rigby

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    I have a 375, 416 and 458 …. Now it’s 500 Jeff time …. That why question ?
    Because it’s lekker and life is to short to wonder should I or shouldn’t I

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rigby View Post
    then I would switch to the 450 Rigby
    Can the ZKK 602's bolt face be modified to accept a .450 Rigby?
    Is the .450 Rigby the same case as the .416 only necked up ?
    If there are two positive answers, this could really be a possibility.
    I do have heaps of once fired .416 Rigby Federal cases and a good hundred of unfired Norma .416 Rigby cases.
    .....madness takes it's toll ....

    Does anyone here have a ZKK 602, not the new 550, in .450 Rigby?
    Last edited by bwana wali; 27-05-2024 at 20:23. Reason: typo & addition

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