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    Default Article: "Traditional healers need hunters to make safe, sustainable muti"

    https://www.dailymaverick.co.za/arti...tainable-muti/

    Traditional healers often rely on poaching or dodgy markets to get medicinal ingredients. Joining hands with the hunting sector is a solution.
    A grassroots traditional healer organisation is building bridges with South African hunters to legally obtain muti products in a sustainable way, an initiative that throws the largely white, middle-class concerns of animal rights activism into sharp relief.
    At the recent annual conference of the Custodians of Professional Hunting and Conservation near Rawsonville in the Western Cape, Gogo Nomsa Sibeko, who heads the Pretoria-based not-for-profit Nature Speaks and Responds, delivered a presentation titled “The role of the hunting value chain in supporting traditional healers”. It was a call for collaboration between the hunting industry and traditional healers.
    “The hunting value chain can strengthen sustainable cultural practices... Biodiversity loss and illegal wildlife trade demand responsible alternatives,” Sibeko told the conference. She has been a traditional healer for 20 years and holds a BCom degree in economics from the University of KwaZulu-Natal.
    The points she made in her presentation included:

    • Materials from legally hunted species that are not endangered reduce the pressure on vulnerable wildlife.
    • Hunters often only require meat or trophies and the leftover parts can become valuable for traditional medicine instead of being wasted.
    • Legal access for muti parts reduces illegal harvesting.

    Daily Maverick interviewed Sibeko on the sidelines of the conference, and her message was clear: traditional healers need parts from wild animals to practise their craft and 21st-century animal rights and welfare activism is alien to her culture.
    “We don’t have an anti-hunting standpoint because our people have always hunted. That is why you have medicines that require wild animals – and that requires hunting. So we can never be part of the anti-hunting brigade,” she said.
    Sibeko said some of the ingredients sourced in muti markets were suspect, so transparency was essential.
    “Having a collaboration with legal hunters will stop us from obtaining the wrong items because if you don’t know what the fat of a lion looks like, you take any fat. We go to muti markets to get what we are looking for.
    “I see a better way of doing this by having the hunters [involved]. Instead of discarding what they don’t use, they can share it with us. There are so many of us that a person can make a profit selling some of their items to us, and if they can donate them, even better.”
    Traditional healers make use of all animal parts: fat is used to enhance medicine and skin from animals such as kudus is used for the drums played to invoke the spirits. Bones and teeth have a range of applications.
    “We also want to turn traditional healers into citizen scientists. We can gather information for the scientists. We go to every river, we go to every mountain, we go to every veld. Who better to gather information for scientists than ourselves?” Sibeko said.
    According to one recent study, which has its critics, South Africa’s hunting industry generates about R45-billion annually.
    The traditional medicine trade was estimated in a 2007 study at being worth about R2.9-billion, but this may have been an underestimate and it is clearly significant and growing. However, there does not seem to be any recent number crunching on the value of the trade.
    Sibeko’s vision would see more economic value generated from both industries in a transparent way that preserves both biodiversity – vast tracts of previously marginal farmland have been conserved for wildlife in South Africa by the hunting industry – as well as traditional medicine and culture.
    In some ways, this evokes the debates about rhino horn, which can be sustainably harvested from live animals, yet its trade has been banned internationally for almost five decades.
    In Asia, it is a commodity coveted for a range of reasons, including for use in traditional medicine, and this demand remains entrenched in culture. The result has been rampant poaching to meet that demand.
    Wildlife in South Africa is currently being poached for muti, yet traditional African approaches to medicine have more scientific validity than the use of rhino horn for medicinal purposes.
    In a society with glaring levels of inequality and a looted and crumbling public health sector, there will always be demand for traditional medicine – a demand that also speaks to deeply rooted cultural and spiritual practices that are at odds with Western animal rights activism.
    This demand must be met and Sibeko and her organisation want to meet it with legally and sustainably sourced wild animal products.

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    Default Re: Article: "Traditional healers need hunters to make safe, sustainable muti"

    Trust the good old Daily Maverick to come up with a world class wokism like "safe, sustainable muti".

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    Default Re: Article: "Traditional healers need hunters to make safe, sustainable muti"

    All animals for muti to be shot with lead free ammo ;)

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    Default Re: Article: "Traditional healers need hunters to make safe, sustainable muti"

    Quote Originally Posted by oafpatroll View Post
    "safe, sustainable muti".
    Wonder if that includes a girl with green eyes (Joshlin) or children with a whitish skin disease etc?

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    Default Re: Article: "Traditional healers need hunters to make safe, sustainable muti"

    Fuck traditional healers. Fuck muti. That Voodoo Witch Doctor Demon Worship Snake Oil bullshit needs to be eradicated; it has no place in a civilized society.

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    Default Re: Article: "Traditional healers need hunters to make safe, sustainable muti"

    Quote Originally Posted by Johann du Toit View Post
    Fuck traditional healers. Fuck muti. That Voodoo Witch Doctor Demon Worship Snake Oil bullshit needs to be eradicated; it has no place in a civilized society.
    You do realise that this includes Boererate, don't you?
    You do realise that this is the thin edge of the wedge of taking away self medication and therapies out of the control of people that want to use them?

    Dismissing every form of traditional healing as “worthless” oversimplifies the issue and shuts down any useful discussion.

    If the goal is to reduce harm, then the real conversation should be about GMP , GPP , evidence, regulation, and accountability, not blanket eradication.

    Yes, some traditional practices are dangerous or fraudulent. But others—whether they fall under cultural remedies, herbal treatments, or “Boererate”—have measurable effects, and some have even been incorporated into modern pharmacology. The solution isn’t to ban everything; it’s to evaluate each claim based on data and regulate the parts that pose actual risk.
    Modern medicin also contains perverse incentives, industry lobbying, and profit-driven behaviour. That’s exactly why removing all non-pharmaceutical options would be shortsighted. People should have access to treatments—traditional or modern—as long as they’re transparent, safe, and grounded in evidence.

    Which snake oil is more offensive to you the one you sip from a skull or the one injected into your deltoid ?
    live out your imagination , not your history.

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    Default Re: Article: "Traditional healers need hunters to make safe, sustainable muti"

    Quote Originally Posted by KK20 View Post
    You do realise that this includes Boererate, don't you?
    At least Boererate dont need certain body parts or acts of girls, boys or virgins. Or a rolled up hissing puf adder. If not rolled up and not hissing it wont work. Same for other stuff. If the springbuck is not walking North at sunrise it wont work.

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    Default Re: Article: "Traditional healers need hunters to make safe, sustainable muti"

    Quote Originally Posted by Zuku View Post
    At least Boererate dont need certain body parts or acts of girls, boys or virgins. Or a rolled up hissing puf adder. If not rolled up and not hissing it wont work. Same for other stuff. If the springbuck is not walking North at sunrise it wont work.
    ( I am not against Boererater FYI. I am referring to "traditional" healers, not witches and others with evil self-serving intent. We should be careful of how things are bundle things together to push an agenda)

    Boererate is part of the South African makeup for many in one way or another. It has been systematically dismantled only to be found packaged and placed in a scheduling status requiring a prescription.
    live out your imagination , not your history.

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    Default Re: Article: "Traditional healers need hunters to make safe, sustainable muti"

    Quote Originally Posted by Zuku View Post
    At least Boererate dont need certain body parts or acts of girls, boys or virgins. Or a rolled up hissing puf adder. If not rolled up and not hissing it wont work. Same for other stuff. If the springbuck is not walking North at sunrise it wont work.
    Take some time out to read up on how the very much first world following the science makes PREMARIN. It is not dissimilar to the examples you mentioned.
    live out your imagination , not your history.

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    Default Re: Article: "Traditional healers need hunters to make safe, sustainable muti"

    Quote Originally Posted by KK20 View Post
    Take some time out to read up on how the very much first world following the science makes PREMARIN..
    QUOTE "Premarin (conjugated estrogens) is a medication that contains a mixture of estrogens derived from the urine of pregnant mares, which is how it got its name (PREgnant MAres' urINe)."

    But if it can only be collected by a blonde virgin after midnight to make it work etc then is BS

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