Combat Coaching

[Wolverine]

{Wolverine (not to be confused with Gerald of WolverineQTG)}

I myself am not an expert on these types of tactical training, but read with much interest the post on “Combat Coaching” by 47 under the topic “Firearm Dealers / Gun Shops / Firearm Training Facilities”.

It seems that here a totally integrated approach is followed (that even takes into consideration the legal implications), as can also be seen in the link to the You Tube video clip:

Quote:
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'Reality Based Personal Protection is training and survival skills based on modern day conflict situations that the practitioner is likely to encounter in their environment (their 'reality'), in accordance with the use-of-force continuum of that jurisdiction' - Sgt Jim Wagner

Training offered in:
Tactical Firearm and survival
Knife fighting survival
Impact weapons
Chemical weapons
Multiple opponents
Personal Protection
Close Quarters Combat
Surviving ground attacks
And much more……"


This opposed to a firearms only approach as was some time ago thought to be sufficient for most situations.

This leads me to the question on what should form the foundation (which would probably differ from person to person) of your self defense preparation if you are packing: Should your foundation be “close quarters” skills which incorporates everything else, including firearms; or should you first develop your firearm skills, and then add the empty hand and other stuff if deemed necessary; and will carrying a firearm by itself not be sufficient?

[SWATG]

In short, packing or carrying a firearm has never been sufficient, even if you are a very good shooter, firearm skills are generally much more difficult to acquire than for instance unarmed skills etc. You can not jump into a full on CQB and combative training combined with your firearm unless you are completely up to scratch with your firearm, but this does not mean that you should first only train firearm and then combatives etc. You should train them both but only combine them when your skill level is good enough, and then your unarmed system should be modular enough to adapt to knife, gun, baton etc. Nothing new on this, just make sure your training is simple enough to perform under stress, a lot of the stuff is way to difficult to perform when your SNS takes over.

It comes back to the old saying on why we do combatives, simply put we do it for the times when we where caught off guard or the attack is to quick on us to get to our weapons, combatives should provide you with the skills to buy us the time to get to your weapon of choice, in today's society the notion of going man to man against three or more armed attackers is simply put crazy, yes you can get lucky, but would you like to bet on it. As I stated on previous posts, the biggest mistake we make is to follow traditional training methods, we have found that attackers on the street move and react totally different than our "trained" partners in the classroom.

We have done this on previous occasions when we roped in "reformed" criminals to help us recreate attacks(at a cost) and you will soon realise that a lot of stuff that people know and teach does not even come close to real life, believe you me when I say that a lot of the times real attackers are much stronger, faster and react in a totally different manner what we normally see in classes, o yes and their necks and arms don't just brake, and try to catch that knife, good luck, if you catch it then I can guarantee you that the attacker was not fully committed, and you should be able to take him, remember what the guy from Cold steel said, a guy with a knife only needs proximity, determination and some speed to slice you in pieces, no fancy techniques or specialised death defying cuts. See the picture attached(you all have most probably seen this one) whereby the armed well trained cop thought he would quickly finish of the knife wielding bad guy without using any weapons.

To effectively stand a chance of defending yourself you need the right tools, and the skills and knowledge to use them effectively!

[Geoff Carter]

To the best of my knowledge the poor man in the photo's is a Corrections Officer who was doing a search on an inmate and was attacked with a box cutter/Stanely knife blade. In the series of three photos you see that he is slashed across his chest (DEEP) turns to the left and gets slashed on the ribs (you can actually see the bone), the last photo shows what the final three slashes did to his back!

I have it on good authority that the BG was in worse condition when the other CO's finished with him ;D

[SWATG]

Geoff, I know this story and others appears in a book that was launched a while back in the states, I think ut is about wounds and stuff, I will locate it and order it, I think it might be good reading, when I get it will let you know how much it is, otherwise we can let the book float, and I will send it to you when I am finished!

[Thorkind]

There are far too many people out there (LEO and civilian) who overestimate their unarmed skills. Just like those who only concentrate on firearms, there are people out there who think they can successfully defend themselves because they do the latest flavour-of-the-week martial art. Then when the SHTF, like SWATG said, necks and arms don't just break like you were always told they would in the dojo. I also subscribe to a totally intergrated approach to self-defence. Anything else is just a partial-art.

Combat-coaching looks interesting and if ever there's a seminar nearby, I will attend.

[Corné]

There are far too many people out there (LEO and civilian) who overestimate their unarmed skills. Just like those who only concentrate on firearms, there are people out there who think they can successfully defend themselves because they do the latest flavour-of-the-week martial art. Then when the SHTF, like SWATG said, necks and arms don't just break like you were always told they would in the dojo. I also subscribe to a totally intergrated approach to self-defence. Anything else is just a partial-art.

I agree....

[glockperfection]

I having been exposed to Combat Coaching and training with them has opened my eyes up to a host of lifesaving concepts and techniques. I have come across plenty of people who might profess to be marksman and good shots but as soon as you put them in a force on force context they do not survive the drills.

The concept of force on force as well as Reality based self protection and Reality Based Martial Arts is the new wave thats been hitting the world. It would benefit anyone who wants to survive this cruel world to get some training and practice drills that would increase your chances of survival in a life threatening or violent encounter.

In the words of my coach:

'You will never rise to the level of your expectations. You fall to the level of your training. The way you train is the way your are going to fight/perform'
- Morne Swanepoel -

Thank you
Keep the guns loaded and the blades sharpened.
Stay safe,
Peace

[SWATG]

Agreed, realistc training is paramount, but where I disagree slightly is when people call reality based training and force on force as "new" we started with this type of training about 8 years ago, and then where still behind what was happening internationally, funny thing that the local market reacted extremely"bad" to this type of "new age training, now years later we found that people still call this new, and it is all the craze, I would love to see the reaction of the market to the "new" training we will be launching this year, most probably in five years time the market will call this new, let us face it, no matter what we like to think or say, we are still lacking behind, the sooner we realise this the better, we are still applying to much "copy and paste" but it is a great sign that the market are slowly understanding the "new" training, at least we are now on the right track, I can only hope that people would understand the real new stuff that is coming our way so that we don't waist another couple of years, remember we are all getting older happy0065

[glockperfection]

Hi,
I guess i should have qualified who exactly i was referring to. We have two distinct markets. One is LE & Military and the other the civilian market. I agree with your statement, people like Jim Wagner, Gabriel Suarez, Andy Stanford, Louis Awerbuck and many others have started this type of Reality based , Force on Force many years ago. Those that have seen action and situations where their normal training that they received in the Tradional Martial Arts Dojo and Academies failed them in the context of violent, unco-ordinated attacks. The fortunate ones lived to changed their persepctives and approach to training. When I said it is a new wave i meant looking at in a general sense where a large percentage of people have not yet seen the light of this type of training. I am not in anyway discrediting Tradional Martial arts systems as they have propmpted many individuals to dive into the reality based combat arts using it as a vehicle. They have their place and it depends on an individual whether he wants a sport based/ competition art with a whole lot of rules or a Reality based, no rules system that prides itself on keeping individuals alive in this crazy world we live in.
Some type of training is better then none at all. But individuals that have some training should always cross train and work with many different systems to enhance their knowledge in the different aspects of the combat arts.

One should never be satisfied with what one knows but always strive to learn more new and efficient methods to neutralise threats and violent attacks. Yes, in SA, I agree we are far behind alot of concepts that are out there. The most common thing I hear is " I have a Firearm, I do not need any other training, i shoot good groups at X meters." This is a dangerous and naive attitude.
This false sense of security tends to teach most individuals a nasty lesson or worst, gets them killed.

Copy and paste is not a problem IMHO if it is a concept that works and you can get profiecient at it. Obviously the individuals that pioneered the idea in the first place should be acknowledged. Re - inventing the wheel is time consuming and at the end brings you back to square one in any case.

thanks for your reply and I hope we can chat again soon.

Best Regards