Voting survey against GFSA on News24.com

2B · 15-12-2010, 23:12

Just recieved a e-mail from GFSA to vote on news24.com against firearms. "there is currently a vote on the news24 site with regards to owning firearms. please take a minute to vote." if they can vote so can we so lets give them a run for their money.

**Lian** · 15-12-2010, 23:23

obviously with the "better" changes being made recently, GFSA is losing the fight. no?

**Gerard** · 16-12-2010, 06:35

Obviously the gunfree nuts are voting "I will never own" so they have a total of 3389 votes (6:40 on 16/12) against 14967 who are for or neutral towards. They are losing again big time. :-)

**abhm** · 16-12-2010, 07:16

Originally Posted by Gerard

Obviously the gunfree nuts are voting "I will never own" so they have a total of 3389 votes (6:40 on 16/12) against 14967 who are for or neutral towards. They are losing again big time. :-)

eer no!
"Yes" and "I am thinking about it" represent the pro element! that currently constitutes
49% of this poll
No and I would never represent the emotive cry for dont need them GFSA followers (at least that is what they can lay claim to
And currently the have us pipped at 51 %
so no we aint winning this poll yet!

**Gerard** · 16-12-2010, 09:27

"No" does not represent the anti element. It means the voter does not own a gun. If I do not own a car I would vote "No" in a car poll but it does not mean I am against owning cars. If I voted "I will never own a car" it may mean I am against car ownership, maybe. Anyone from GFSA who votes "No" in that poll is brain dead and is helping our position.

**abhm** · 17-12-2010, 00:20

what it does mean is that every no, or I would never is a usable statistic in the GFSA emotive argument which says, "see you dont NEED a gun, more people seem to believe they dont NEED a gun in SA then do!!!!!!" thats the point its not always what the question is its how you ask it and how you spin the answer!

**Lian** · 17-12-2010, 01:05

ofcourse nobody NEEDS a gun. just like you dont need a car. but it's something a certain type of person prefers in his life, be it a car or a gun.
the "you dont need a gun" argument is easily countered by the "freedom to own property" law.

**Gerard** · 17-12-2010, 06:00

The only absolutes in that poll that represent a firm position are the first and last questions. The middle two are neutral ground and therefore not against gun ownership. Anyone who spins otherwise for gain is easily and logically proven the liar.

I would like to see a poll with the questions:
1. Must firearms ownership to the law abiding citizen be banned?
2. Must firearms ownership to the law abiding citizen be allowed?

No duplicity, nice and simple and a clear guide to what law abiding citizens want, despite the fact that criminals and GFSA will vote for a ban.

**abhm** · 17-12-2010, 06:57

Gerard I to would love to see a poll like that but unless a completely impartial entity does it the results will still be meaningless
its an old trick by politicians and lobbyists, they ask a question and phrase it in an emotive way
like asking "would you like to see you children able to walk the streets in complete safety" now who wouldnt answer yes? then they input some half baked perception or generalistic statement linking child death to firearms (failing to mention of course that the statistic child includes those up to 21 and firearms in context are unlawful and pertains to a heavy gang area) and then suddenly its about firearms ownership! the Brady campaign have ben doing that for years, GFSA has been doing that for years! and because they whine so loudly and consistently your/ our reactive statement becomes the "knee jerk comeback of the gun nut!" Marketting 101 the bigger the lie and the more consistently it is told the easier it is belived and accepted!

We need to somehow inspire polls and discussions along the lines of
Do you believe it is right for our wives, sisters, mothers and daughters to be raped everytime they walk outside at night? do you believe it right that a person should willing give up their childrens lives or do you believe that every person has the inalienable right to defend their childrens and their own lives?
that is the sentiment that we should push, that is the message we should send out at every opportunity, Jayne, Kirsten and her ilk are hand in glove with the rapists, murderers and thieves, everytime there is a murder of any type everyone on this site should e mail Jayne and say, how dare you support this! everytone should publicly be saying that Jayne and Kirsten should be in the dock next to everysingle one of those criminals! thats the message we should be sending!

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bear in mind that the vast majority of the public will not have a strong opinion on firearms they will accept which ever impinges least on their lives and is the most socially acceptable, until we win that stature we wont win the batttle for firearms rights here!