Since Chas is being bashful...

[Paul]

http://www.beeld.com/Suid-Afrika/Nuu...ering-20110426

Wapeneienaars wil hof toe oor herlisensiëring
2011-04-26 23:31
Jeanne-Marié Versluis

Die Suid-Afrikaanse Vuurwapeneienaarsvereniging (Saga) wil 'n interdik bekom om die polisie te keer om voort te gaan met wapen-herlisensiëring kragtens die Vuurwapenbeheerwet van 2000.

Dit kom nadat die hooggeregshof in Pretoria einde Julie verlede jaar gelas het alle vuurwapenlisensies wat ingevolge die Wet op Vuurwapens en Ammunisie van 1969 uitgereik is, bly geldig tot daar 'n uitslag is oor die hofgeding oor die grondwetlikheid van die nuwe wet.

Die Saga-trust en ses vuurwapeneienaars (applikante) gaan die interdik-aansoek in dié hof teen die minister van polisie en die polisiehoof bring.

'n Datum daarvoor is nog nie bekend nie.

Dié ses eienaars se aansoeke om herlisensiëring is luidens hofstukke afgekeur omdat hulle nie voldoen het aan die nuwe wet met betrekking tot die aantal of soort wapens in elk se besit nie.

Die applikante vra ook 'n hofbevel wat verklaar dat alle mense wie se herlisensiëringsaansoeke onder die nuwe wet afgekeur is, steeds geldige lisensies het onder die ou wet.

Mnr. Charles Lotter, trustee van Saga, sê in hofstukke dit is duidelik die polisie is eenvoudig nie in staat om die nuwe wet te administreer nie.

Hy sê die minister het in November 2010 op 'n mediakonferensie gesê die hernuwing van 'n lisensie kan tussen vyf maande en ses jaar neem.

Volgens Lotter het mnr. Martin Hood, Saga se prokureur, twee keer 'n pleidooi gelewer dat die herlisensiëringsproses opgeskort word omdat die hofsaak oor die nuwe wet nog nie afgehandel is nie.

Volgens Lotter het me. Jenni Irish-Qhobosheane, sekretaris van polisie, egter "kategories" gesê dié proses sal nie opgeskort word nie.

Lotter sê 'n "beduidende aantal" wapeneienaars het om herlisensiëring van hul wapens aansoek gedoen. Dit blyk egter dat selfs meer eienaars nié daarom aansoek gedoen het nie.

Hy sê Prinsloo se bevel laasjaar het effektief die herlisensiëringsproses opgeskort.

Die minister moet nog beantwoordende hofstukke in daardie hofsaak indien, hoewel Prinsloo se tussentydse bevel meer as 18 maande gelede gelewer is, sê Lotter.

Die ses betrokke wapeneienaars is nou, volgens die vuurwapenappèlraad, onwettig in besit van wapens en word deur "uiters ernstige minimum gevangenisstrawwe" in die gesig gestaar.

Hy sê die 15 766 lisensies wat glo teen 25 November verlede jaar deur die polisie geweier is, gaan waarskynlik heelwat meer word soos die polisie die hernuwingsagterstande hanteer.

Meer wetsgehoorsame burgers sal dus strafbaar gemaak word, want hulle sal van mening wees dat hul ou lisensies geldig bly totdat die hofsaak afgehandel is.

"Dit volg dat die polisie op enige tyd dié mense kan arresteer en aankla vir onwettige besit van 'n vuurwapen."

Dat dié mense strafbaar gemaak word omdat hulle die wet gehoorsaam, is "ongerymd en irrasioneel".

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Oops! See it was posted by Frank the insomniac in some irrational place...

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Oops! See it was posted by Frank the insomniac in some irrational place...

[Chas Lotter]

Bashful? Gee, Paul, I didnt know you cared!

Seriously......

We were waiting for the police to file their answering affidavit before we sent out a bulletin but The Beeld has scooped us on this one (well done Beeld). They probably found the court papers we had filed.

We may win or we may lose but are are at least trying - and the potential prize is a good one.

[Whena]

Guys keep up the good fight and to those that do not support either SAGA or a similiar organisation please do so

[Dinat]

+1

We need to support SAGA and any organisation that are fighting for us

[Paul]

We need to support SAGA and any organisation that are fighting for us

+1

[G-26]

Can somebody translate this article into english please.

[Rudes]

Why not use Google translate? Crude but gives you the jest of it.

http://translate.google.co.za

Afrikaans to English translation


Gun Owners want to court over relicensing
2011-04-26 23:31
Jeanne-Marié Versluis

The South African Firearm Owners Association (SAGA) to an interdict obtained at the police time to proceed with arms relicensing under the Firearms Control Act of 2000.

This comes after the Pretoria High Court late July last year ordered all firearm under the Act on Firearms and Ammunition from 1969 was issued, remains valid until a result is about the lawsuit over the constitutionality of the new law.

The Saga Trust and six gun owners (applicants) to the interdict application in court against the police minister and police chief make.

A date for this is still not known.

The six owners' application for relicensing is according to court papers rejected because they are not complied with the new law regarding the number or type of weapons in each's own.

The applicants also ask for a court order declaring that all men whose herlisensiëringsaansoeke under the new law was rejected, still valid licenses under the old law.

Mr. Charles Lotter, trustee of Saga, said in court papers it is clear the police are simply unable to get the new law to administer.

He said the minister in November 2010 at a press conference said the renewal of a license for between five months and six years.

According to Mr Lotter. Martin Hood, Saga's lawyer twice a plea provided that the Licence Renewal Period suspended the trial because the new law has not been finalized.

According to Lotter me. Jenni Irish-Qhobosheane secretary of police, were "categorically" said the process will not be suspended.

Lotter said a "significant number" gun owners to re-licensing of their weapons applied. It seems that even more owners applied for it.

He said Prinsloo's order last year has effectively suspended the Licence Renewal Period.

The minister has yet to conform pleadings in that court case where, although Prinsloo's interim order more than 18 months ago has been delivered, says Lotter.

The six concerned gun owners are now, according to the appeal board firearm, illegal possession of arms and by "very serious minimum prison sentences' have faced.

He said the 15,766 licenses that apparently 25 November last year by the police refused, will probably be much more like the police renewal backlogs deal.

More law abiding citizens will be made punishable, because they will feel that their old licenses remain valid until the court case is completed.

"It follows that the police at any time that people can arrest and charge for illegal possession of a firearm."

That people made liable because they obey the law is "absurd and irrational."

[Paul]

Why not use Google translate? Crude but gives you the jest of it.

Ingrish!

;-{>}

[cerop]

I love Google Translator...
It's like reading something written by a retarded Yoda.

"The Saga Trust and six gun owners (applicants) to the interdict application in court against the police minister and police chief make."

WTF! Awesome!

[ArnoG26]

I love Google Translator...
It's like reading something written by a retarded Yoda.

"The Saga Trust and six gun owners (applicants) to the interdict application in court against the police minister and police chief make."

WTF! Awesome!