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    Default Yugoslavian SKS mod59/66

    Can any body enlighten me as to:
    Why the Yugoslavian made SKS mod59/66 does not have a chrome lined barrel?
    Why the grenade launcher on the barrel is 22mm which is NATO Spec. ???

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    Default Re: Yugoslavian SKS mod59/66

    I found this at an SKS collector's site. I can't verify it as truth but it seems to make sense logically...

    The main difference between other SKS rifles and the Yugoslav versions is that the bores of the Yugo versions were not chrome plated--Yugoslavia has no significant native chromium ore deposits, chromium was expensive to purchase and Yugoslavia's relationship with the USSR (a major chromium ore exporter) since 1948 was lukewarm at best. One reason Yugo SKS rifles (in fact all Yugoslav small arms seem "beefier") is because Yugoslav cartridges are much "hotter" loads than other similar "East Bloc" ammo, plus since Yugoslavia's manufacturing capacity was relatively limited, each weapon had to be more durable.
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    Default Re: Yugoslavian SKS mod59/66

    Thanks Ikor, hpy180

    Ja , I also saw the site & story about the chromium deposits, makes sense. Yet if that is the case then did Yugo AK's etc suffer the same fate/ IE no chromed bores?
    If they were chromed, in a sense it would prove that Chrome indeed was scarce & expensive & thus reserved for "priority" weapons such as AK's & heavy machine guns etc.

    I know that Yugoslavia was outside the Warsaw pact yet still puzzles me why they would then produce a weapon of USSR & then mate it with a NATO Spec grenade. Possibly they did tests both Warsaw & NATO type grenades & decided
    a) NATO grenade was superior
    b) Lets continue to p*ss off the Reds ;)

    Regarding the grenade launcher, I saw a clip on utjoob a while back, where, during the Balkan War in the 1990's a soldier fires a grenade from his SKS. He rested the butt on the ground. If he had fires it from his shoulder, his shoulder would have been broken/dislocated.

    Any way, now just sitting back & waiting for my licence :(
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    Default Re: Yugoslavian SKS mod59/66

    Yugo AKs were also made with non chrome lined barrels...I don't know about the bigger stuff, though.
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    Default Re: Yugoslavian SKS mod59/66

    Quote Originally Posted by ikor
    Yugo AKs were also made with non chrome lined barrels...I don't know about the bigger stuff, though.
    That support's the scarce chromium deposit story & it also seems that they couldn't buy it.
    Either that ore chrome lined bores were not a priority for Tito.
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    Only the Yugoslav's (M59/66 and M70's), Poles (PMK-DGN 60) and Hungarians (AMP) made rifles capable of firing rifle grenades. Bear in mind that the Yugo's also made their products for the international export market, thus it would only make sense to make them to the established international standard i.e. NATO Standard 22mm. I suspect that it might have had more to do with the possible sale of grenades to potential clients that have rifles fitted with 22mm flashhiders than anything else. I have a picture in one of my old Gung-Ho magazines of a Lebanese Christian soldier mounting a Yugo HEAT rifle grenade onto a FN FAL fitted with a 22mm flashhider identical to our R1's. They made two types of grenades: a HEAT (High Explosive Anti-tank) and a HE (High Explosive) anti-personnell grenade. The HEAT grenade resembles a bonzai baseball bat with an oblong head fitted to a shank and tailfins. The head contained the copper cone necessarry for the HEAT effect, while the HE had a thin, long parallel body with a tapered head and flat blunt nose fuze and with fins at the rear. Both were painted that sick Warsaw Pact barf grey or green while the tailfins were white. I can't remember wether they were plastic or not. To use the grenade, the grenade launching sight mounted on the gasblock was flipped up (this cut off the gas supply to the gasblock), the grenade slipped over the spigot, a BALLISTITE cartridge (NOT ballistic - the grenade goes ballistic because of the ballistite) chambered, the sights aligned and off you go! These rifle grenades and any rifle grenade soon became known as a STRIM with the HEAT grenade the HEATSTRIM. This is technically incorrect, as only the Belgian series of rifle grenades used by South Africa in conlunction with the R1 were called STRIM and these were about the size of the old 1.25l glass Coke bottles!

    Bear in mind that the Yugo agency of SDP or something made a lot of NATO Standard ammunition eg. 9x19mm, 7.62x51mm, .50 Browning, 20x110mm Hhispano and Oerlikon and this is not counting the tank and artillery munitions. The reason for this being that Yugoslavia was supplied with a lot of US aid in the years immediately following the Second World War and before they went socialist. It was thus not uncommon to have US M47 tanks alongside Russian T34/85's in the same army. Yugoslavia made both the NATO and Russian 12.7mm cartridges. In their brochures the page on the grenades states that they can be supplied with either 7.62x39mm or 7.62x51mm ballistite cartridges. These normally had the rose crimp painted black as opposed to blanks that had the crimp painted white if I'm not mistaken.

    If one looks at pictures of terrorist arms caches of the SA Border War era these grenades always seem to find their way into the picture. In Peter Stiff's book on Koevoet (Covert War), he states that SWAPO started to carry more and more anti-tank capable weapons during their incursions from 1986 of onward like RPG-7's, RPG-18's, rifle grenades etc. This was in response to a SWAPOL member defecting to Angola with a CASSPIR and the Soviets and Cubans evaluating it. After that defection Koevoet's rate of CASSPIR's being shot out rose considerably. This also explains the reappearance of the relatively old SKS rifle in terrorist hands as the AK and PKM series of more modern weaponry had at that stage become standard for incursions, or so I gather.

    As to your question of why the Russians never developed something similar is that they most probably felt the same as the Yanks about them i.e. heavy to carry around, inaccurate, brutal recoil and placing excessive stress on the rifle. This should explain why they only fielded their first grenade launcher in 1984. It is the underslung BG15 firing GP-25 grenades and is similar in concept to the US M203. The difference is in the grenade. The US 40x46mmSR (or snotneus in SA Army "taal") resembles a king-size .45 ACP cartrdige and uses the high-low pressure system in the aluminium cartrdige case which is ejected once fired. The Soviet GP-25's propulsion system is contained within the projectile similar to the US Gyrojet project of the 1960's where gas is vented through holes in the base of the projectile propelling it from the launcher. While the US cartridge is loaded from the rear, the GP-25 is loaded from the front and clipped in place. It features an extremely short barrel which is about just as long as the grenade.

    I hope this answers some of your questions.

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    Default Re: Yugoslavian SKS mod59/66

    Wow! And this is your first post. happy0065
    Keep em coming.

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