Why this thread?

Because once a firearm is 'voluntarily' handed in to SAPS, it becomes a 'government firearm', not so?

To my knowledge, for many years now some police have always been part of the 'drug problem'. Years ago I remember being told by a senior cop in Kempton that Boksburg Drug squad were by far the biggest narcotics dealers on the East Rand.

Now it seems, SAPS are an even bigger player in the 'gun problem', or rather more the 'armed violent criminal problem'. (As if their weren't already enough armed criminal cops to go around).

Gotta love that last quote from Pagad’s national coordinator; "The people do not trust the police". That's right Abdus, and precisely my reason for staying armed too, whatever it takes, one way or another.

In Common Cause,



De Wet Potgieter; The New Age. Aug 3 2012

"The ceasefire serves no purpose. Our people must unite and stand together against this threat. It is just a matter of time then we will come knocking on your doors in the fancy suburbs where you are living,” Pagad’s national coordinator, Abdus-salaam Ebrahim, warned the drug lords this week. The People Against Gangsterism and Drugs’ (Pagad) leader told the New Age in an interview at its headquarters in Athlone, Cape Town, that Pagad is not a Muslim organisation, but a movement for the people.

He said they are mobilising countrywide and will take the war against drugs to the doorsteps of those faceless drug lords who live in comfort as “respected” citizens in upmarket suburbs in South Africa. Pagad wants to expose, name and shame them, he said. “We need to educate the people – get the people’s minds right – that the drug lords and gangsters are not as mighty as they think they are,’ he said. In the 1990s we had the drug dealers running.”

He called on the police to admit that they are losing the war against drugs in the country. In Ebrahim’s opinion it all started when Jackie Selebi got into bed with drug lords like Glen Agliotti and other mob bosses and started disbanding all the police’s specialised units in order to pave the way for syndicate bosses to rule the country.

According to Ebrahim most of the firearms used by gangs on the Cape Flats are guns which were handed in to police stations as a result of the new firearm licensing system. “Those guns are back in the hands of the gangsters.” He claimed the main reason that gangsters are getting so brazen in their turf wars is because they operate hand in hand with corrupt police officers providing top cover for them.

“Where the people’s children are drugged, raped and killed and police and government fail to protect its people, the people have the divine right to protect themselves by any means necessary,” Ebrahim said. He does not see the physical shooting between gangsters as the problem, but describes the gang violence as part of the “chemical warfare” being waged against law abiding people of South Africa.

Referring to the ceasefire called between the warring gangsters recently, he added that this will not make the problem go away. “The ceasefire serves no purpose. Our people must unite and stand together against this threat. “The police know how and from which countries like Afghanistan, Pakistan, India and China the drugs come through the harbours and airports into South Africa and despite the stream of information on drugs being passed on to the police by the police forums, nothing significant is being done to act,” Ebrahim said.

“The people do not trust the police. The police are no longer the solution, but had become part of the problem,” The New Age was told.