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26-01-2014, 12:54 #1
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Which is best platform/ pistol for competing in Classic Major division
Good Day
So yesterday I competed for the first time in a shoot , in the classic Major division, I used my colt Gold Cup, It went well although I still have some grip issues with thumb touching the slide etc. I managed a full score on one stage though. I am hooked on the sport and the classic division, I used a leather holster and old school leather mag pouches so had the Miami Vice vibe going on.
My questions now is this:
What restrictions are there in the classic division on belts and holsters, can I use a CRSPeed belt with acc.?
I don't want to use my current .45 for competing, I want one specifically for that purpose, which brand/ model would you recommend? And what mods would you do/ are you allowed to do in this class?
What restrictions are there in this class on mag wells?
Thank You
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26-01-2014, 13:33 #2
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Re: Which is best platform/ pistol for cometing in Classic Major division
You can (and should :) ) run CR speed gear.
Magwell and other restrictions are in the rules.
Maybe chat to the guys at Rescomp about building you a gun.
We have some top classic shooters on the site who will be able to give excellent advice.
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26-01-2014, 14:28 #3
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Re: Which is best platform/ pistol for cometing in Classic Major division
This is a sport shooting related post iro a secific sport - why do you not use the correct forum?
I moved it to the SAPSA/ IPSC forum.Last edited by DS; 26-01-2014 at 14:32.
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26-01-2014, 16:59 #4
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Re: Which is best platform/ pistol for cometing in Classic Major division
From the IPSC.com website:
CLASSIC DIVISION
1Minimum power factor for Major170
2Minimum power factor for Minor125
3Minimum bullet weightNo
4Minimum bullet caliber / cartridge case length9mm (0.354") / 19mm (0.748")
5Minimum bullet caliber for Major10mm (0.40"), see below
6Minimum trigger pull (see Appendix E4)No
7Maximum handgun sizeYes, see below
8Maximum magazine lengthYes, see below
9Maximum ammunition capacityYes, see below
10Max. distance of handgun and allied equipment from torso50mm
11Rule 5.2.10 / Appendix E2 appliesYes
12Optical/electronic sightsNo
13Compensators, ports, sound and/or flash suppressorsNo
A handgun in its ready condition (see Section 8.1), but unloaded and with an empty magazine inserted, must fit wholly within the confines of a box which has internal dimensions of 225mm x 150mm x 45 mm (tolerance of +1 mm, -0 mm). Note that all magazines must comply.
The handgun is placed inside the box with the barrel parallel to the longest side of the box. Rear adjustable sights may be slightly depressed during insertion.
Handguns must be based on and visibly resemble the classic 1911-genre design. This means a single-stack, one piece metal frame, and a dust cover (without an accessory rail) which has a maximum length of 75mm when measured from the leading edge of the dust cover to the rear of the slide stop pin. Magazine well openings cannot exceed a maximum outside width of 35mm. Compliance is checked by way of a 35mm wide, and at least 5mm deep, notch carved into the outside of the box, or by use of a ruler or caliper, as approved by the Range Master.
Prohibited modifications are slide lightening cuts, weak hand thumb rests and slide rackers.
Permitted modifications are those of a cosmetic nature (e.g. custom grip panels, scrimshaw or similar surface engravings, checkering or serrations etc.), replacement single or ambidextrous thumb safeties, and any open sights (which may be embedded into the slide).
Magazines accessible to a competitor during a COF must not contain more than 8 rounds (for Major power factor) or 10 rounds (for Minor power factor) at the Start Signal.
357SIG is also an approved caliber for Major, subject to achieving the applicable minimum power factor. This concession expires 31 December 2014.
This Division is under evaluation and, unless extended, it will expire on 31 December 2014.
I shoot a bit of Classic division now and then.
You are allowed a speed rig and I use all CR Speed equipment, belt, holster and mag pouches with the single stack inserts.
The holster has proven itself many times over, and I prefer the Versa mag pouches over anything else, as with the single stack inserts fitted, it moves the mags just far away from the body to still be legal, but allows a bit of space between the belt and magazine body to get a better grip on the mag, and in a division where you do more mag changes than anywhere else, it makes a big difference.
I use a Springfield Armory 1911A1 that have been fitted and accurized by Rescomp. Most of the small parts and trigger control group have been replaced with Wilson Combat parts and as they are wearing out I have been replacing them with Rescomps own 1911 parts.
For magazines, I use 8 round Wilson Combat and CMC Power mags. I also have 3 x STI mags that have been very good. Magazines are crucial, don't skimp on quality. Buy once, cry once.
A magwell is crucial to help guide those skinny mags into the gun. I use the FAB Defense 1911 grips with integral magwell. They are nice and thin and the plastic magwell is easily blended with a Dremel to fit your frame. They can also be stippled to give better grip. Great value for the money.
If I had to buy a new gun, I would take a hard look at the Ruger SR1911. It comes with most of the necessary "go fast" goodies as standard and the guns work well. A good friend shoots one, and I have been impressed with the quality and accuracy.
I know there are some high quality, bull barreled guns with all the required features inbound and they should be in country and available by end of February.
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26-01-2014, 17:36 #5
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26-01-2014, 17:45 #6
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Re: Which is best platform/ pistol for cometing in Classic Major division
Pay very close attention to advice on Classic division given by 1911 and Samizat45.
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26-01-2014, 19:47 #7
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Re: Which is best platform/ pistol for cometing in Classic Major division
Everything 1911 said is spot on. Another mag well option (although more expensive) is the Smith and Alexander one piece mag housing and mag well.
The Ruger is a definite candidate. I have handled one and it would need minimum modifications for the class.
I know you want a specific pistol, but all you really need is reliability, good sights that you like, a good trigger, a magwell and grips that are suitable to your own hands. Spend all the other money on good magazines (the same ones 1911 mentioned) and ammunition.
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26-01-2014, 19:53 #8
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Re: Which is best platform/ pistol for cometing in Classic Major division
Had a Ruger in our detail yesterday. So it's a one off sample of one. But the gun run well yesterday.
Thorkind has a E series Smith that makes me have covetous thoughts. That gun also runs like a plastic people popper.
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26-01-2014, 21:17 #9
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Re: Which is best platform/ pistol for cometing in Classic Major division
Samizat nailed it. Reliability first and foremost, the rest are "nice to have's" and depending on you maybe "must have's".
I can't shoot a 1911 without a beavertail without bleeding, so that's a must have for me.
Just like AR's, 1911's are like Barbie dolls for men in respect to the amount of "stuff" available to customise them. We sometimes go overboard with trying to modify things to the degree that they stop being reliable or just plain silly.
Use what you have for a while, and talk to the Classic shooters at matches. Ask them what they prefer and why. Most of them will gladly talk your ear off about their favorite blaster and even let you handle and fire a shot or two with a "real gun" ;) Then, once you have a better idea of what you would like, and prefer on your own gun, get the pistol that is as closely setup to what you want and get the rest done by a gunsmith that knows how how to make a 1911 run.
IMO, Classic is a game of stage breakdown, stage planning and perfect stage plan execution. As long as your current gun is reliable and can hit what your aiming at, it won't hold you back nearly as much as the poor stage plans will.
There is no room for extra or make up shots in Classic div, and if something goes wrong you have to get yourself back to the plan very quickly or be able to make a new plan on the fly. It is an extremely enjoyable challenge and the last 2 years of shooting primarily Classic has probably been the most fun I have had during my whole shooting career. The guys who specialise in Classic div, such as my friend Samizat, are also a really good and helpful bunch and will guide you through the learning process and will make it a whole lot of fun as well.
Good luck and welcome to the club!
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26-01-2014, 21:25 #10
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Re: Which is best platform/ pistol for cometing in Classic Major division
Thanks guys, I really appreciate the good info, I will look for around primarily for a Ruger although al I can find is Remingtons at the moment, then the mag release, w/magwell etc etc!
I am keeping my Colt Gold Cup stock.
Again thanks for the solid advice!
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