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Thread: Hmm... gamesmanship? Holsters?
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23-11-2009, 10:58 #1
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Hmm... gamesmanship? Holsters?
I don't know how manyu of you have viewed the shooter's clinic videos of the EOTAC team at http://www.eotac.com/?p=5§ion=vi...=proam&video=3
Does deliberately firing extra shots in order to shoot slide back to enable an emergency reload not constitute FTDR, also leaving the static???
Also what's with the holsters with the offsets away from the body? I thought that was only allowed for the girls?
pcrn"Always remember to pillage before you burn"
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23-11-2009, 14:17 #2
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Re: Hmm... gamesmanship? Holsters?
How do you prove the intention of the shooter? - dumping rounds justifies a FTDR but shooting more shots on a target is not necessarily dumping. The SO will have to look at what the shooter is doing - aiming and shooting at the target and landing shots does not justify a FTDR imo. Remember also that shooting more shots on the target is eating time. Shooting several un-aimed shots down range on the other hand is a different story.
The "static" - listen carefully - at around 6min20sec into the clip - he says something like "shoot the steel, leave the static, shoot the up-down, shoot ..., and then shoot the static."
I do not think he propagated not engaging the static - when you shoot the steel it activated the up-downs - he says if you are worried about time to hit the up-downs then leave the static which is next to the steel and then come back to it later.
I did not pic up the "off-set" holsters.
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23-11-2009, 14:19 #3
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Re: Hmm... gamesmanship? Holsters?
Originally Posted by Khumba"Always remember to pillage before you burn"
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23-11-2009, 14:25 #4
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Re: Hmm... gamesmanship? Holsters?
Originally Posted by Khumba
Who draws the line?"Always remember to pillage before you burn"
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23-11-2009, 15:05 #5
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Re: Hmm... gamesmanship? Holsters?
Being an active IDPA SO for the last 3-4 years (memory fading), I have yet to see a penalty based on round dumping. Unless, as Khumba said, you just fire blindly down range to empty a mag, its impossible to prove. You can round count as much as you want, as long as the hits are aimed.
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23-11-2009, 15:12 #6
Re: Hmm... gamesmanship? Holsters?
Originally Posted by Count Bla
On the holster issue. I don't think the rig used in the clip is legal as the breechface appears to be held lower than the centre line of the belt.
They aren't using concealment either.Cattle die, kindred die, every man is mortal:
But I know one thing that never dies,
the glory of the great dead.
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23-11-2009, 15:14 #7
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Re: Hmm... gamesmanship? Holsters?
Originally Posted by Count Bla
I'm kinda new to the IDPA game, so what the hell do I know?
OK, settled! tup
Onto the holster debate.
I was under the impression that holsters must hold the piece close to your body (except for females who are allowed a little... um... latitude). If you look at Tom's holster (on 30 seconds, and again later) you see that the holster holds the piece away from his body."Always remember to pillage before you burn"
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23-11-2009, 15:17 #8
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Re: Hmm... gamesmanship? Holsters?
Originally Posted by SSP
As to the lack of concealment, I suppose they are just demo'ing so the lack of a jacket could be construed to be in the interests of better being able to show what is happening."Always remember to pillage before you burn"
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23-11-2009, 15:25 #9
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Re: Hmm... gamesmanship? Holsters?
Paul, I think one or two of us might just be scared of the new competition! Feel free to challenge any/every decision made on the range. We do get it wrong every now and again. Can't speak for other people, but I have no problem being corrected.
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Re: Hmm... gamesmanship? Holsters?
Originally Posted by Count Bla
But, yes, it's only by asking that we all test the rules. I certainly want to be told when I am on the verge of stepping outside the box also."Always remember to pillage before you burn"
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