Possession of military ammo

[Mark357]

What makes a round "military" ?
Plenty of "commercial" .223 and 5.56 ammo is made
Primer crimping ??

[moose]

It is the head stamp on the case, I am not sure on the 5.56 I think it just has a year stamp and a batch stamp.

[A-R]

It is the head stamp on the case, I am not sure on the 5.56 I think it just has a year stamp and a batch stamp.

The headstamp will typically be "85" and "13". 85 indicates year of manufacture, being 1985. 13 is the powder type. This is B556, which is the same thing as S321.

Incidentally, I have bought some of this ammo at a local gun shop a while back. Kept a few packs, complete with price label and the invoice, just to have it.

Just today somebody in the USA was enquiring on a reloading group about the same ammo and cases. They were exported to and sold to civillians there too.

There is no such thing as "military ammo". PMP makes various types of ammo for the 223/5,56 and sells them to various entities, including the SANDF, SAPS, wholesalers and retailers. While the SANDF uses mostly one particular type, this does not give them any say over ammo sold to others.

[Paul]

The headstamp will typically be "85" and "13". 85 indicates year of manufacture, being 1985. 13 is the powder type. This is B556, which is the same thing as S321.

I was today days old when I learned this. Thanks.

There is no such thing as "military ammo". PMP makes various types of ammo for the 223/5,56 and sells them to various entities, including the SANDF, SAPS, wholesalers and retailers. While the SANDF uses mostly one particular type, this does not give them any say over ammo sold to others.

100%. Typically PMP retails all the 'batch overruns' (or if an order is cancelled or rejected by the customer). If the SANDF orders a million rounds of 5.56 PMP will make (say) 1.2 million to account for quality control rejects, etc. If they only reject 100 000 rounds on QA the other 100 000 will be sold retail or exported.

The only guys who have an agreement with PMP to NOT allow their ammo to be sold off is SAPS and JMPD as far as I know (may be others).

[griffin]

I would just like proof for him that it was possible to purchase surplus ammo from a dealer. Nothing came of the incident, he was stooped at a road block just outside of Atlantic in the Cape after shooting a combat rifle shoot and when they checked his firearm licence they noticed that he has mil 223 ammo and questioned him about it. They were satisfied with his explanation that it was issued to him at the shoot and that he was using it for practice. I just recon not all police would be that understanding and if there was proof that it was available for sale then that would take some of the argument out of the situation.

I was sure all SA Milsurp was 5,56, you say he was carrying .223 Milsurp?


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[phant1m]

I seen a jmpd headstamp. Forgot to take a pic of it. Never seen that before. I assumed they were using commercial stuff, i know ct metro use s&b. And saps have the irksome P berdan brass.

[Paul]

I was sure all SA Milsurp was 5,56, you say he was carrying .223 Milsurp?


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I've seen a couple of PMP cases marked .223 which were Berdan primed.

Who knows?

[griffin]

I've seen a couple of PMP cases marked .223 which were Berdan primed.

Who knows?

Could very well be, I’ve just never seen any.


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[moose]

I have learned sometime today as well , thanks A-R is there a table or list of what the numbers mean for all the PMP / mil surp ammo such as I remember the old 7.62 used to say R1M1 or such like?

[ady]

I have learned sometime today as well , thanks A-R is there a table or list of what the numbers mean for all the PMP / mil surp ammo such as I remember the old 7.62 used to say R1M1 or such like?

https://www.cartridgecollector.net/762-x-51-nato